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I do not care for deactivated firearms.
I believe deactivating destroys the firearm.
However, for legal reasons there may be no other option.

If a deactivation is to be performed, the job can be done by a talented gunsmith using a TIG welder in such a manner that the RCMP's standards can be met, with absolute minimal disfigurement of the firearm. Negligible exterior damage. Essentially invisible.

If you want to see an example of an absolute butcher job of deactivation done by an incompetent hack, have a look at the Mk. II Sten, Item 4, in the upcoming Landsborough auction.
 
tiriaq said:
I do not care for deactivated firearms.
I believe deactivating destroys the firearm.
However, for legal reasons there may be no other option.

If a deactivation is to be performed, the job can be done by a talented gunsmith using a TIG welder in such a manner that the RCMP's standards can be met, with absolute minimal disfigurement of the firearm. Negligible exterior damage. Essentially invisible.

If you want to see an example of an absolute butcher job of deactivation done by an incompetent hack, have a look at the Mk. II Sten, Item 4, in the upcoming Landsborough auction.
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I believe ONLY a certified Person can do LEGAL de activations. Not just any gunsmith. A person must go through a
process with the Feds including an example of his work before being Certified.
 
That is certainly the case if the thing is registered, and it is to be officially recorded as deactivated.
What is a LEGAL deactivation? There is no standard, nothing legislated, only RCMP policy.
The RCMP approval of a gunsmith for doing deactivations has nothing to do with competence, only with destructive capability
 
cooey43 said:
I believe ONLY a certified Person can do LEGAL de activations. Not just any gunsmith. A person must go through a
process with the Feds including an example of his work before being Certified.
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NR firearms are not registered, so what your point?

I have a big grinder, do you think I would be able to get certified?

Without knowing nothing about the cops requirements, I would never buy a deactivated firearm. Why do people grind bolt faces, weld magazines shut, cut a barrel, weld a bolt carrier shut? Those are not parts you need a license for anyways.

Same story with antique firearms. You don't need that RCMP letter at all. I never bothered contacting them for one but still have had several imported and inspected by CBSA.

Here some write up by the RCMP:

https://ottawafirearmsafety.ca/fire... order for the firearm,2 of the Criminal Code.
 
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Current bid $650?

Good god. I think I paid less than that for a decent c&c Sten II not too long ago.
There was a worse one in the ee last week that would make an ugly twin to this one.

Someone take away this person's tig welder...
 
fritzhanzel said:
NR firearms are not registered, so what your point?

I have a big grinder, do you think I would be able to get certified?

Without knowing nothing about the cops requirements, I would never buy a deactivated firearm. Why do people grind bolt faces, weld magazines shut, cut a barrel, weld a bolt carrier shut? Those are not parts you need a license for anyways.

Same story with antique firearms. You don't need that RCMP letter at all. I never bothered contacting them for one but still have had several imported and inspected by CBSA.

Here some write up by the RCMP:

https://ottawafirearmsafety.ca/fire... order for the firearm,2 of the Criminal Code.
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I believe the primary reason for wanting the antique letter is to get cops who don't know #### about gun laws off your back?? I suspect many cops aren't willing to just take a guy's word that his handgun is antique status, and that's assuming they even know what antique status means.

As for dewats, I mostly agree with you. I dont have much interest in having one. Although I would make one massive exception, I'd LOVE a dewat light machine gun to sit on the coffee table in my man cave... but I don't have a man cave in my current house so...

As for dewat parts, I do remember reading something about a prohibition on parts for prohib class firearms, but that might only be an import prohibition I'm thinking of, it was referenced in relation to CBSA taking forever to clear AR parts over the last few years.
 
tiriaq said:
The thing went for $800, plus buyer's premium, plus delivery, plus tax.
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In truth you can clean that up quite a bit. I had an experience trying to deactivate a gun as per the CFOs wishes back in the day, and that was about what they wanted.
 
The torch cut Brens and Stens were demilitarized when the CF disposed of their inventories. They weren't considered to be deactivated, but destroyed. Some could be cosmetically cleaned up, others were beyond hope. That one in the Kidd auction was pretty rough.
The BARs held by the RCAF were also cut. Even saw a Canadian marked Model 50 Reising that had its receiver torched longitudinally.
 
My ‘42 INGLIS MkIm was one of those Brens. A member here did a beautiful job cleaning that one up. You have to look really closely to even tell. The one at Kidd, I would have loved to attempt it, but would have felt pretty bad had I botched it. My welding skills aren’t that good. Would have been pretty cool to ad a MkI to the collection though.
 
There is a guy on Snipers Hide that is taking a torch cut Bren and repairing it back into full working order.

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Deactivation to "reactivation", as a semi auto. The Bren on the table is a older three cut "demill", ATF later changed the specs for a demill to four cuts and at least 1 inch of material flame cut out. Prior to the three cut spec demilling was band sawed recievers.

 
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