Debunking the P22 Ammo Myth

seth

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I've read lots of bad press concerning the P22, it's hicups it's down falls and especially it's snobbish attitude towards various .22lr rounds.

Myth 1 - NO HOLLOWPOINTS

Myth 2 - NO NON JACKETED LEADTIPS

Myth 3 - NO STANDARD VELOCITY ROUNDS

All three myths were busted tonight when I took my new toy out to stretch her legs.

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It fired well over 400 rounds of all types of ammo right off the shelf, (cleaned and lubed the new gun first of course)

Including:

CCI Mini Mags
CCI Stingers (wicked fun)
CCI Velocitors
Remington ?? (oldschool)
American Eagle Hollow Point
Federal Champion Bulk
Winchester Xpert
And various other .22lr kicking around the range...


No FTF, FTE with anything.

Further proof Walther has picked up their socks with the new P22's ...
 
Yah, I tend to agree that the newer pistols are pretty reliable.

I don't normally use Stingers (32 gr. HP, 1640 ft./sec muzzle velocity... from a rifle anyway) as I tend to see it as a bit of overkill for target usage. They also cost a bit too much to shoot a lot of them at paper targets, considering that the next couple of rounds down the CCI list (Velocitor and Mini-mag) work just as well.

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/ballistics/rimfire.aspx

Mini-mags (36 gr. in HP, 40 gr. in round nose, 1260 ft./sec muzzle velocity) and Velocitor (40 gr. HP, 1435 ft./sec muzzle velocity) both work well... and the smooth copper-plated bullet is probably at least half of what makes these rounds work so well with the gun. Velocitor is available only in hollow point, but I find that Mini-mag works exatly the same HP or not. Here in Vancouver, all I have been able to find for Mini-mags in the last 6 months has been the HP variety.

I find that "CCI Standard Veolcity" (40 gr. lead round nose, 1070 ft./sec muzzle velocity) is a good cartridge. Two of the range officers at my range always preach the use of this round for auto-pistols. their view is that it gets up to velocity faster, so it works better in a handgun... which has somewhere between 1/4 to 1/6 the barrel length of a .22LR rifle. I've had a lot better results with this cartridge than with some of the other cheap stuff available from Remmington and Federal/American Eagle. I've been buying these lately to go along with my Mini-mags, just so I have some cheaper rounds to blast away with.

There was a CCI "Blazer" round that was a 40 gr. lead bullet that went at about 1200 ft/sec., but I haven't seen that around since last spring. i don't see it on the CCI website either. That's another one that works pretty well. maybe a little less reliable than the "Standard Velocity" rounds. I find it to be about the same as the Remington "Thunderbolt".

I find Remington "Gameloads" (a kind of cheap hollow-point) to be an inferior cartridge. I've gotten quite a few "fail to fires" with these, and also had them getting stuck in the chamber so that you had to bump them back out by sticking a cleaning rod down the barrel. I think this is basically a case of just cheap ammo or a bad load ammo with some crap primers. I've had the same kind of results (off and on) with the various kinds of American Eagle and Federal rounds.

I've had a few stove pipes and stuff that like as well.

Anyway.... I agree with you that the "ammo picky" situation with the new versions of this pistol are not as bad as some people think. I've never really heard of anyone running an IPSC-style competition with .22LR pistols, so... so what if you have to knock a 3 cent round out of the chamber with a cleaning rod? Does that ruin your day? I don't mind it. And if you want to avoid that problem all together, just buy some 7 cent copper-plated Mini-mags. I don't ever remember having a problem with a single one of those rounds.
 
Here are some photos to go along with my post... just to make this not completely abstract:

Left to right (in both photos) are:
CCI Velocitor
CCI Mini-Mag HP
CCI Mini-Mag
CCI Blazer
CCI Standard Velocity
Remington Gameloads
Remington Thunderbolt
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More pics... left to right:
CCI Stinger
CCI Velocitor
CCI Mini-Mag HP
CCI Standard Velocity

All good ammo to blast away with using a P22!
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Notice that the Stingers have a longer case that pretty much every other .22LR.
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The Left hand side of the gun has a date stamp...

AB 2001
AC 2002
AD 2003
AE 2004 - I've heard anything after 2004 has been tweaked from walther.
AF 2005
AG 2006
 
Guy at our club bought a new one in end of 2006, and it's a lemon.. hates lots of different ammo types (feed problems, mag problems, safety engages)
also the barrel, and "comp" also come loose after a while etc.) accuracy on it's not the good as well. (all over a 12" target at 25 yards)


seth said:
The Left hand side of the gun has a date stamp...

AB 2001
AC 2002
AD 2003
AE 2004 - I've heard anything after 2004 has been tweaked from walther.
AF 2005
AG 2006
 
Rimfire said:
Even with all the bad press I STILL WANT ONE!!!

The cheapest I've seen is $475 new. Has anyone else seen a better price out there?

Thanks!
That's the best price I've seen on a new one. Someone in the EE has a new looking one for $410. That's looks like a good deal. If I didn't have a one-year-old P22 (and such a long list of other gear I want to pick up :rolleyes: ) I might be picking that one up myself!
 
I bought one last year for my son and daughter to shoot. Its been flawless. My Hamerli Xesse on the other hand ............ well, perhaps I should get it checked out.
 
The brass doesn't eject back into my face, Walther fixed the problem with stiffer extractor springs.

You can also stretch this spring if you still have problems, or an older model.
 
feeds loke a charm

I own a P22, a Beretta 87 Target, a Norinco .45ACP, and a Para 1640 Ltd
The P22 is the only one that has never FTF or FTE, it eats every and any ammo I thrown at it. I read all the knocks about thie 22, but to be honest, this pistol operates like a dream. The only knock against it is is that I don't find it the most accurate pistol.

If you can find one for $350-$375, I promise you will never has as much fun for the money.
 
Mine runs perfect on Federal bulk.......
And anything else, CCI, Amer Eagle.......
I did have to stretch the extractor spring to get the brass ejecting better, but i bought it used, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend a P22 to anyone.
Rob
 
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