Decent break action or rolling block for cheap?

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I think I am enviou sof all the guy sI meet that have those great lookin old rolling block rifles, or break actin rifles that shoot the classic cartridges like 45-70, etc.

Sadly it seems like everything I see is very pricey. Sharps, and the clones (Pedersolli) are a lot of dough. Finding a Remington for a budget minded guy like me is asking too much. I'm a cheapskate.

What am I left with the H & R Buffalo Classic? That can't be all there is out there that's inexpensive? Hell, I could even get into a doube rifle if it was cheap enough.

Maybe I'm tiring of rifles with these new cartridges and fancy scopes. I'm starting to like the old stuff. I think I want the challenge of hunting with the handicap of an old cartridge, coupled with a slower second shot and open sights.

No offense Lever Action lovers, I haven't figured out if I can go that way yet. (It's just me, levers are probably excellent)
 
Sorry schick:

What am I left with the H & R Buffalo Classic? That can't be all there is out there that's inexpensive?
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but for new rifles me thinks that's about it. They're around 5 bills and I've read that some folks think they're decent. I think your next and probably a better bet would be to try to find a ruger no 1 a little on the used side for maybe 6 if you're lucky, more like $700 and up...
 
The H&R may be decent but you will have to put on a new rear sight which can get expensive, the factory ones don't have enough travel for long range work with black powder! Williams has a Highwall Clone(uberti 1885) for sale for $1K and if you tell John I told you about it he may give you a big discount!! Don't tell anyone else about this deal, it's between you and me as you sound like the kind of guy that has come to his senses.
 
Remember Ruger #1 is not allowed in BPCR Silhoutte due to lack of external hammer and not a copy of pre 1898 action. I don't own a H&R (and wouldn't) but I know the elevation I have to put on my vernier tang Soule sights for the 500 meter rams and I'm 99% sure you won't be able to raise that sight that much let alone out to 1000 yds. I think those sights are more suited to short range and or smokeless powder(heaven forbid), an experimental propellant that is a fade that will pass! One other note on the Ruger #1, by the time you buy the gun, buy a usable barrel and all the gunsmithing involved it will cost more than a new gun, and you still won't be able to mount a tang sight because of the stupid safety...and if it had a hammer you could see, you wouln't need a safety!!
 
I am not sure H&R BC qualifies for alot of the black powder stuff either, but I don't know for sure. As for the sight travel the moderator (alias is quickdtoo)of the nef forum at http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/board,126.0.html has used some of those caliper sights. I think he has 2 or 3 BC's one is a standard 45/70 along with a 45/120 and a 38/55 that was rebored/rechambered to 405 win.

As much as guys trash handi's which is worse just watching or shooting a handi. :)
 
Look for a used 1885. I believe there's one in the EE right now. I've got a Rolling Block (original) that I use for BPCR Silhouette and a 1885 (Browning) that may find itself re-assigned to duties as a blackpowder hunting rifle. I love both and I recently made a deal on a 1895CB on the EE. WHat can I say... I'm a 45-70 nut!
 
aulrich said:
I am not sure H&R BC qualifies for alot of the black powder stuff either, but I don't know for sure. As for the sight travel the moderator (alias is quickdtoo)of the nef forum at http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/board,126.0.html has used some of those caliper sights. I think he has 2 or 3 BC's one is a standard 45/70 along with a 45/120 and a 38/55 that was rebored/rechambered to 405 win.

As much as guys trash handi's which is worse just watching or shooting a handi. :)
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The H&R Buffalo hunter dessign is original, and alloweed in BPCR competition.
it was brought out in the Mid 1800's for the buffalo trade.
There were many break action rifles about in those times, maynard and Wesson are a couple more.
The H&R I shot was an excellent shooter, easy to hold, and easy to carry.
I wouldn't hesitate to own one if i didn't already own two 45/70's.
Cat
 
Unless you get lucky finding a used rifle, the H&R is about the only new rifle in its price range. The H&R may qualify for some competitions, but apart from being a tipup design with a hammer, it doesn't have much in common with any 19th century rifles. Even though it is hammerless, the Ruger action is a lot closer in style and design to some of the fine sporting rifles from the late 1800s. Its ironic that an original Sharps Borchardt would be ineligible because it does not have a hammer, or that my 1880s Guedes rifle w/.45-70 barrel would be similarly excluded because the hammer is internal.
 
tiriaq said:
Unless you get lucky finding a used rifle, the H&R is about the only new rifle in its price range. The H&R may qualify for some competitions, but apart from being a tipup design with a hammer, it doesn't have much in common with any 19th century rifles. Even though it is hammerless, the Ruger action is a lot closer in style and design to some of the fine sporting rifles from the late 1800s. Its ironic that an original Sharps Borchardt would be ineligible because it does not have a hammer, or that my 1880s Guedes rifle w/.45-70 barrel would be similarly excluded because the hammer is internal.
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Actually the martinis and the Sharps Borchardts are ( in Canada, anyway) because thwey are original actions.
The Ruger is not, and is very different internally , more so that the H&R.

That doesn't stop me from having fun with my Ruger However!
Cat
 
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