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After letting my sons deer cool off for a few days , we finally deboned and cut it up and found the reason why the deer dropped so quickly.
There was a pellet than went through the neck and lodged in the bone between the head and shoulder.There was also two more buckshot pellets found in the spine just behind the shoulder. Another two holes were found, one went through the left rear ham severing the big vein and the other grazed the belly leaving a big patch of hair missing. The shot was taken as the deer walked straight away up a small hill at approaimately 40 yards. Buckshot is very effective on deer sized game when used at appropriate ranges, it does the same on black bears at similar ranges.
 
deer are also alot easier to skin when they are fresh.

303carbine,I take it you have shot black bear with buckshot?how was the penitration?what brand do you prefer?
 
impala said:
deer are also alot easier to skin when they are fresh.

303carbine,I take it you have shot black bear with buckshot?how was the penitration?what brand do you prefer?
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I got close to bears for buckshot and the penetration was through and through on some broadside shots. One of the last black bears I shot was at 9 or 10 paces, I laid in the grass next to the trail and shot him in the face as he walked toward me.He dropped straight down and didn't move. I circled around behind him and put a slug between his shoulders to make sure he was dead, I waited for about 10 minutes and then turned him over and took the guts out. The slug went through and was stuck in the mud underneath him.I use Federal 0 buck exclusively in my shotguns because it has 12 pellets instead of only 9 like 00 buck. Federal slugs are preferred as well.
I like over under and sxs shotguns for bears because buckshot can be used at close range followed up by a slug, if they are 50 yards then use the slug first and finish off with the buckshot...very effective.
 
First, this isn't a troll, I just don't understand buckshot very well.

I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that "buckshot is very effective". You said it was walking away and you described a pellet in the neck, two in the shoulder area, one in the left ham and one grazed the belly. That means your spread reached from the neck to the belly and anywhere in between. It seems downright lucky that 3/5 of your pellets hit the spine when they could have also gone as low as the belly or anywhere off to the side.

I see that as a reason to NOT use buckshot.
 
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Ikantski said:
First, this isn't a troll, I just don't understand buckshot very well.

I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that "buckshot is very effective". You said it was walking away and you described a pellet in the neck, two in the shoulder area, one in the left ham and one grazed the belly. That means your spread reached from the neck to the belly and anywhere in between. It seems downright lucky that 3/5 of your pellets that hit the spine when they could have also gone as low as the belly or anywhere off to the side.

I see that as a reason to NOT use buckshot.
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In the area we were hunting it's shotgun ONLY with SHOT ONLY,NO single projectile.Read the reg's before you post a stupid comment about something you obviously know f**k all about. And yes, buckshot is very effective.
 
The regs have nothing to do with my comment and I certainly wasn't criticizing your hunting ethics. I'm just trying to figure out how you got your conclusion from the data you provided.
 
Yeah, sounds more like luck than effectiveness. 12 pellets, 5 hits, lucky to hit the spine. A point of aim a few inches lower or to one side might have resullted in the opposite.

If I had to hunt in one of the shotguns wiht shot only areas, (there is one near my house that I only hunt birds in) I'd just switch to a bow or crossbow. I like to know where I am going to hit, not hope.:)
 
Gatehouse said:
Yeah, sounds more like luck than effectiveness. 12 pellets, 5 hits, lucky to hit the spine. A point of aim a few inches lower or to one side might have resullted in the opposite.

If I had to hunt in one of the shotguns wiht shot only areas, (there is one near my house that I only hunt birds in) I'd just switch to a bow or crossbow. I like to know where I am going to hit, not hope.:)
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Isn't a crossbow considered a single projectile.........? Hunting is luck and a dead deer says buckshot is effective. I would rather use a rifle but the area dictates shotgun with shot only.
 
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"I can do everything better than you". This is why I am careful what I post. One time I posted about shooting a grouse on the ground. (on another website) and I got crapped on from great heights. A bunch of people piled on me for endangering my dog, even though I said in the first post I left the dog in the van. Others railed on at great lenght about the unsportsmanlike act of ground swatting. No amount of diplomatic explaining that there are different hunting traditions in different areas (and countries) made any difference. One of the reasons I no longer visit that website.
 
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Nice! But you didn't leave the fur on it for the few days did ya? From what I hear deer meat is best when skinned within an hour of being shot.
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I (and all of the guides I know, as well as friends) leave the hide on until right before we butcher. This keeps the meat, from drying out. If the animal is cooled properly there is no issue, and my meat has never been tainted. I never let deer hang more than a few days anyway (as they lack the protein that breaks down to tenderize like moose, elk, beef). If the weather is warmer than I like, I'll cut it up that night. The meat best if skinned the first hour is a farce. But who am I to poo on other peoples rituals.
 
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/regulations/0708/docs/Region_1.pdf

Page 3 says "Archery hunting and firearms using shot only." I'm assuming that's your unit because it is the only mention of shot only in the deer section.

A dead deer in the freezer is my conclusion, do I have to tell it again?
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I was just hoping that you had other stories to backup that buckshot is very effective on deer and was hoping you would share them. All the evidence I've seen and been taught says that it's the least effective method because it is the method most likely to wound (when your other options are archery, rifle, slug or muzzleloader) rather than kill or miss. I was hoping there was some information I was missing.
 
Keep the range close and why not, but I would be worried about shooting with the poop shoot pointed at me, I would wait for it to turn, quartering away at least.
 
Ikantski said:
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/regulations/0708/docs/Region_1.pdf

Page 3 says "Archery hunting and firearms using shot only." I'm assuming that's your unit because it is the only mention of shot only in the deer section.



I was just hoping that you had other stories to backup that buckshot is very effective on deer and was hoping you would share them. All the evidence I've seen and been taught says that it's the least effective method because it is the method most likely to wound (when your other options are archery, rifle, slug or muzzleloader) rather than kill or miss. I was hoping there was some information I was missing.
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I have taken black bears and deer with buckshot at close range, and in 30 + years of hunting I never lost one due to wounding. Buckshot is very effective but can wound when used at longer ranges than intended. It seems you are not a very experienced shooter and have very little or no field experience with the use of buckshot. As stated before, I would rather use a rifle but when the reg's say shotgun with shot only that's what I do.
 
getting back on the buckshot topic and not talking about ethics or regional laws....

what brand of buck shot?
pellet count?
would you recommend that brand.

I have had poor accuracy of buckshot years ago and I stayed away, but now I have seen a few PPC shooters using buckshot for a 3 gun match and I was really impressed on the tight groups and accuracy. I think I may re-look at it again, specially with the way more areas here are having shotgun only deer seasons.
 
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