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Scrubbed rebuilds have crossed the 1K mark and will now regularly fetch in the 1200-1300 range. Original factory rifles will fetch from $1600 to $2300. With that much rarer date, I would suggest the price should be in the upper part of that range. I am pretty sure you would look a long time to find another.
A friend has a Cno7 that has no year stamp on it.
A friend has a Cno7 that has no year stamp on it.
There were CNo7 Receivers issued in 1953. They were not restamps or the last digit stamped. The bare receivers are not serialized and not the refuribshed ones that we typically see from 1944-46. I have one of these (1953) that I got at Connaught (Ottawa) during a DCRA match several years back. I've only seen one other. Never have seen built into a CNo7 however it's very possible. What is serial number? After all SAL did build 1955 and 56 CNo4's. Ron
I bought a new in grease 1953 C No7 receiver with no s/n from the long defunct Globeco Company in Vanier, ON in 1976. I later assembled a rifle on it using the late Tom Richardson's tooling. I used a small variation from my Reg'l number as a s/n.
I have two 1945 dated Long Branch rifles in .22 caliber
One is marked
"22"
Long Branch
1945
7L4### series
in a wooden transit chest with cleaning rod and one jag, marked with different stores numbers and 22 C No 7 MkI.
I purchased this rifle in the case, as is, in 1965.
It is in very nice condition and has a sleeved bore which from what I've seen isn't unusual for these rifles. Could be wrong about that though as around 1980 several similar rifles were sent back to the REMEs for repair by the Vernon Cadet Corp. They came back very quickly and at first I thought they were different rifles. The techs did a very good job of fitting those rifles to new stocks and refinishing the receivers. At first I was disappointed because instead of new barrels, they had been relined. My fears were soon set aside because these rifles shot extremely well.
Maybe Purple could comment on these lined barrels. Were they running out of barrels that start life as 22 cal or was this just a cheap quick replacement because there weren't any other training rifles left at the Cadet armory??? From what I remember the rifles were FTRed in Chilliwack.
The other rifle in 22 was built up on a No 4 MkI receiver and is marked
No 4 MkI*
Long Branch
1945
serial number range AB###x
The regular serial number has been scrubbed off.
It came in a refinished/repainted transit chest.
It's real value to me is the fellow I bought it from.
The rifle was put together from spare bin parts that could easily be accounted for by REMEs out of Calgary and was presented to Sgt Ken White as a retirement gift by his peers around 1968.
He was having some medical issues at the time and was concerned he wasn't going to make it much longer so he asked me if I would give him a fair price for it in 1979. I liked Ken a lot so I gave him a better than fair price for the rifle and the chest it came in. Thankfully he came through his issues with flying colors. I asked him if he wanted the rifle back. He told me it had gone to a good home where it would be appreciated for what it was so I should hang onto it until it was my turn to pay it forward, at a good price of course. That time hasn't come yet.
This rifle was built up using all correct C No7 MkI parts and came with a couple of spare firing pins, bolt head and extractors. With standard velocity ammo of decent consistency, if I do my part right this rifle will shoot into a half inch at one hundred yards.
One is marked
"22"
Long Branch
1945
7L4### series
in a wooden transit chest with cleaning rod and one jag, marked with different stores numbers and 22 C No 7 MkI.
I purchased this rifle in the case, as is, in 1965.
It is in very nice condition and has a sleeved bore which from what I've seen isn't unusual for these rifles. Could be wrong about that though as around 1980 several similar rifles were sent back to the REMEs for repair by the Vernon Cadet Corp. They came back very quickly and at first I thought they were different rifles. The techs did a very good job of fitting those rifles to new stocks and refinishing the receivers. At first I was disappointed because instead of new barrels, they had been relined. My fears were soon set aside because these rifles shot extremely well.
Maybe Purple could comment on these lined barrels. Were they running out of barrels that start life as 22 cal or was this just a cheap quick replacement because there weren't any other training rifles left at the Cadet armory??? From what I remember the rifles were FTRed in Chilliwack.
The other rifle in 22 was built up on a No 4 MkI receiver and is marked
No 4 MkI*
Long Branch
1945
serial number range AB###x
The regular serial number has been scrubbed off.
It came in a refinished/repainted transit chest.
It's real value to me is the fellow I bought it from.
The rifle was put together from spare bin parts that could easily be accounted for by REMEs out of Calgary and was presented to Sgt Ken White as a retirement gift by his peers around 1968.
He was having some medical issues at the time and was concerned he wasn't going to make it much longer so he asked me if I would give him a fair price for it in 1979. I liked Ken a lot so I gave him a better than fair price for the rifle and the chest it came in. Thankfully he came through his issues with flying colors. I asked him if he wanted the rifle back. He told me it had gone to a good home where it would be appreciated for what it was so I should hang onto it until it was my turn to pay it forward, at a good price of course. That time hasn't come yet.
This rifle was built up using all correct C No7 MkI parts and came with a couple of spare firing pins, bolt head and extractors. With standard velocity ammo of decent consistency, if I do my part right this rifle will shoot into a half inch at one hundred yards.
I don't have any knowledge of relined barrels. I used a bona fide CNo7 barrel, which I also got from Globeco, for my build. I was serving at FMCHQ in St Hubert, PQ at the time. This was a few yrs after the automated supply system got going and intalled a terminal in the HQ which would let you know what items were held in stock in units and bases. I asked the techs to do a search on the part number for the barrels and only located one, which was in Valcartier as I recall.
Globeco used to have a good stock of Enfield stuff as they were in Ottawa and catered to DCRA shooters. One other unique CNo7 part which was tough to find was the solid front sight band w/o cutouts for the bayonet lugs on the barrel. I had to use a standard No4 band and drill it from the bottom for a set screw to keep the band from rotating. The front sight protector covers the screw and it looks OK.
Globeco used to have a good stock of Enfield stuff as they were in Ottawa and catered to DCRA shooters. One other unique CNo7 part which was tough to find was the solid front sight band w/o cutouts for the bayonet lugs on the barrel. I had to use a standard No4 band and drill it from the bottom for a set screw to keep the band from rotating. The front sight protector covers the screw and it looks OK.
That looks like different stamping than mine on the receiver flat.
They both have the solid front sight band without cut outs. The 22" marked rifle's front sight band is stamped on the bottom 15294. It may be a part number????
They both have the solid front sight band without cut outs. The 22" marked rifle's front sight band is stamped on the bottom 15294. It may be a part number????
stencollector
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That one looks like a fake. There is a retired armourer in Calgary who has made up Cno7s on British no4 receivers. He doesn't do a bad job if you want the rifle as a shooter, but as a collectible they do not fit the bill. That rifle looks like one of his. The engraved side is one of the give-aways. Also, the serial number is a little high, and there is a small marking normally present on factory Cno7s which I do not observe in one of those photos.
Re sleeved barrels, I have never heard of that done in service. There were still barrels in stock within the last decade in the Cdn supply system. A Cno7 with a 7L serial number would also be very suspect.
Re sleeved barrels, I have never heard of that done in service. There were still barrels in stock within the last decade in the Cdn supply system. A Cno7 with a 7L serial number would also be very suspect.
I have a few new in the grease No7 receivers three different markings. Does the guy in Calgary have the proper barrels to make up No7s?
I have the rest of the parts, sights, mags and bolt heads, but they aren't up for sale.
The only No4s with sleeved barrels are the British No9s.
I had at one time 4 different Canadian 22 rifles three different No7s, and a scrubbed .22.
Also had the British No7 repeater, two of the No8s long and short barrel, and the No9.
Bought the No7s for $100 each and the rest for around $250 to $300.
I kept the No1 22s a couple have the Canadian Ross rear sights.
I have the rest of the parts, sights, mags and bolt heads, but they aren't up for sale.
The only No4s with sleeved barrels are the British No9s.
I had at one time 4 different Canadian 22 rifles three different No7s, and a scrubbed .22.
Also had the British No7 repeater, two of the No8s long and short barrel, and the No9.
Bought the No7s for $100 each and the rest for around $250 to $300.
I kept the No1 22s a couple have the Canadian Ross rear sights.
stencollector
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He used to have barrels, but that supply has since run out so he now sleeves no4 barrels.
stencollector
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PM sent....I don't want to tip off the counterfeiters.
stencollector
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It does not look like his work.
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