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[billybob]

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[The Queens Medalist 8687]

South American. Some are cheap like Brazilian short 54 in 30 06 $200
Some are vauable and a few are very valuable. There is lots of info. on these rifle in the U.S. where they are quite collectable.

 

[SDC]

No idea what they're worth, but the pictures you show are of a Spanish (la Coruna Arsenal) Mauser, made for the Spanish air force.

 

[bearhunter]

top one is a Spanish Army issue and the bottom one is Spanish Air Force marked on the receiver. They are worth about $250 each as long as the bores are decent. bearhunter

 

[desporterizer]

X2 on what bearhunter said.

 

[Hitzy]

I bought one of the air force ones off a dealer on here for $150 in better condition then those.

 

[Claven2]

Spanish mausers, 100% certain.

First is army issue, second is air force.

Neither is particularly nice. $150 or so each is my estimate.

 

[eos]

Both Spanish rifles.

BTW, the "airforce" rifles are almost certainly "sterile" Wz 29s sent by Pilsudski to Franco back in the early days of the Spanish civil war. Eagle was most likely applied by the Spanish. I've seen the same rifles with no markings at all except serial.

The other one is known as the M1943.

 

[billybob]

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[K98ACTION]

mauser

The top one is interesting in that after consulting my Mauser book, notice the bayonet lug, and how it has that step down piece like it was added on after.

My book shows that same bayo lug on Japanease captured VZ-24's.The Japanease captured enough VZ-24's from China that they equiped five divisions with them, the bayonet lug was modified just like yours to fit the Jap bayo.

The China contract for VZ-24 all have 1937 on the reciever as that was the supply year. But your crest is not Czech?

Maybe the spanish used the same bayo, although I doubt it. So who knows what that lug piece is for?

 

[fwm]

Bayo lug

According to Mausers Military Rifles of the World by Ball, they are Spanish Model 43 and 44 Mausers. The funny looking bayonet lug is an auxillary lug that allows older style bayonets to be attached to these new rifles.

 

[K98ACTION]

Both Spanish rifles.

BTW, the "airforce" rifles are almost certainly "sterile" Wz 29s sent by Pilsudski to Franco back in the early days of the Spanish civil war.

When you say Pilsudski do you mean Russia. Because Russia did purchase around 40,000 mausers back then only to send them to Spain in support of their political interest during the civil war.

 

[John Sukey]

Jap bayonets

Before I knew better, I passed on a SMLE that had been adapted to take an Arisaka bayonet. (indonesian)
Speaking of that, the rarest bayonet must be the jap bayonets with broad arrow markings bought by the Brits. (Look at a hooked quillion and compare it with the jap one.)

 

[eos]

When you say Pilsudski do you mean Russia. Because Russia did purchase around 40,000 mausers back then only to send them to Spain in support of their political interest during the civil war.

No, Jozef Pilsudski, president/dictator of the second repbulic and Mashall of Poland until 1935. He was however born in Zulowa, Russia, in December 1867.

Arms for Spain has some detailed info about Poland's extensive dealings with Franco in the early 30s.