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I mounted Millet DMS1-4x 24mm scope on my SR-22 with Burris PERP rings. The manf calls for 3.5" eye relief. I have a collapsible stock on this rifle. I tried to position the scope for suggested eye relief and it takes forever to find the spot for my cheek to see the clear full picture through the scope. I need to move my face up and down, left and right around the cheek piece before I can find the spot where I see the target and not complete black patch. If my face movement does not work, I then try to adjust the stock thinking may be I didn't place the stock to the notch that I was shooting before. And than all the hell starts again - back and force, up and down until I see the damn target through the damn scope.

I tried to remount scope further down or closer to the end of the rail (fully extended the stock and left it there) but it seems that I get the same problem over and over again - no matter if the scope sits in the manf suggested eye relief distance, more forward or more back on the rail.

I am pissed and disappointed. It took forever to sight in the scope as well because the rings sit too high and the guy in the range could not position equipment he had (equipment sits too low) to bore sight it. I shot 150 (!) rounds - 3 at a time - at 50yards until I saw the first hole on the huge piece of paper (used huge siluette target in landscape).

It's a cute little short range rifle and shoots ok for what it is but this monkeying around with the scope takes all fun of it. I almost dropped it on the floor yesterday from frustration. How can you acquire the target quick if all you can see through this damn scope is black patch :mad:

Just before you jump to conclusions about my shooting abilities - people who knows me say I don't shoot like a girl dispite the fact that I am she. :p

However, I know I am new and I am 99.999% sure that I am doing something wrong...

Please help. I will take whatever advice to try again and again before I give up on this scope and install the damn BUIS... (gotta love those iron sights especially after all my recent experience with 1-4x scope). May be this is the way to go with this rifle anyway (I mean irons) because the damn thing (the rifle) even after eventually sighting it in is so unaccurate outside 50 m anyway (yeah, I know, balistics and all that for .22 but still).

May be I just need to keep this rifle if I have nothing better to do but sit outdoors, 20 yards from the target, drinking beer and shooting with my right hand (I am lefty) to hit whatever... Should have gone with Eotech and BUIS combo instead of this damn scope, me thinks...

End of rant. :rolleyes:
 
is your rifle a bolt action? if it is you can look down the bore to sight it in. if the scope sits really high then you can try a cheek piece, i had the same problems when using high rings. it was hard to get a good picture cause i didn;t have a good cheek weld with the stock, i always had to move my head around too.
 
neotekz said:
is your rifle a bolt action? if it is you can look down the bore to sight it in. if the scope sits really high then you can try a cheek piece, i had the same problems when using high rings. it was hard to get a good picture cause i didn;t have a good cheek weld with the stock, i always had to move my head around too.
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Sorry, should've mentioned it. The rifle in subject is Ruger SR-22 semi-auto in .22lr. Speaking of bolt, I just bought a Sako A7 bolt rifle in .243 with 3-9x scope on it and didn't have ANY problem with it. It was a breathe to sight in and it shoots like a dream...

I wonder if cheek piece can be had for a collapsible stock?
 
Cheek pieces are available for some collapsable stocks.
It does sound like the scope is mounted high enough that your regular cheek position will not work. Happens all the time to people. You either try to adapt (not so good) or get a cheek piece to raise your eye to proper position (good).
 
coldblood said:
I wonder if cheek piece can be had for a collapsible stock?
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check these out
http://www.combathunting.com/AR_15_M_16_M4-Collapsible_AR_15_M4_T6_Carbine_Stock_Cheek_Rest.html

http://www.thecountryshed.com/ar-15_stocks.htm

i have the same stock on my sks and it looks like you can put a normal cheek piece no problem, if you don;t mind drilling 2 holes in the stock.

here's the one i have on my savage http://www.snipercentral.com/karsten.htm and just looking at both i don;t see why it wouldn;t fit
 
I put one of the Millet DMS1-4 scopes on my Robarms XCR, haven't had these issues? Guess I would have to see it in person to really know what you describe, because it shouldn't be this hard.
 
Well, I found out yesterday in the range that my scope works for me only when it set on 1x or 1.5x mag tops. On higher magnification x2 to x4- doesn't matter how I mount it - I only see a black patch. So, for this rifle and for the targets and distances I shoot with it - it works ok now. I left it on 1.5x and turned the red dot on. I've got 1" goups of 3 consistently at 50 yards. I didn't expect nothing more from this rifle anyway. :p
 
I doubt if you are doing anything wrong. Seeing the full field of view through a scope requires the right combination of eye relief, exit pupil (the diameter of the light cone that comes through the eyepiece) and your eyes. Since everybody's eyes are different what works for one person may be totally unsuitable for another. (Which is why it's a good idea to take anybody's advice on a good scope with a grain of salt.)

The blackout problem you describe is often associated with higher magnification. As magnification increases the diameter of the exit pupil decreases. When it's smaller than the visual field of your eye you can't see anything unless it's exactly centred. The issue usually arises with old eyes and high mag scopes. You are using a low power scope, so it may be basically a function of your particular visual ability. Another scope might work. If possible I would try one with a larger objective lens.

Your eye also has to be the right distance from the eyepiece (i.e. correct eye relief.) If that is actually the problem you could try a long eye relief scope. Some fairly inexpensive ones are available with eye relief of about 6". That's what I use for offhand shooting since I otherwise have to crane my neck uncomfortably forward. The penalty you pay for long eye relief is a narrower field of view. At a given distance the visible area will be smaller. But this isn't much of a problem for shooting targets at the range.

So, bottom line, the scope may just not match your eyes. If you can, look through other people's scopes. Shooters at the range are generally happy to let you have a peek. The ideal thing would someone else's SR22 set up, but even a different model of gun/scope might give you an idea of what you need.
 
Eye relief is subjective as well, everyones eyes are different if you wear glasses especially eye relief can be effected.

you could try moving the scope back or forward a little bit and see if it helps, 3.5-2.5'' is not a big deal.
 
Sight in at 25 yards or less then move out to range you want and make adjustments. That way, shots are on the paper at the longer range.
 
I don't think your scope is the problem. That collapsable stock is not much good for precision shooting, as you've already discovered. Your problem is that your scope is too high or your stock is too low, so that you can't get a cheek weld and still look down the scope. The reason you see the black patch is that you are not looking down thew scope squarely, in other words your eye is not centred with the centre of the scope. Next time start shooting at 25 yds and you'll be on the paper faster. 150 shots is ridiculous.

There's a few things you can try.
Shoot european style without having your cheek touch the stock.
Get lower rings
Add an adjustable cheek pad or change stocks to one that is better suited for scope use.
 
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Priceless information! Thank you guys!

Yesterday I let the other shooters to shoot my SR-22 as is and they all (3 people) said that those rings are too high! Everybody hated the collapsible stock too. One shooter brought his son's Rem VTR597 with fixed stock and we mounted my scope on his rifle with my scope mounts. It was better feeling with fixed stock but still rings were too high for me and for him. So, we disassembled his scope and mounted my scope in his rings (luckly, he had 30mm rings as well). And scope worked like a dream! Even with a bit longer eye relief than manf suggested. All magnification range (from 1x to 4x).

So, first of, I will start by getting a new rings, I guess. However, I learned my lesson. I bought this rifle with collapsible stock just because of the cool factor. All my other rifles come with fixed stock. Same thing with the mounts. It looks really cool. Well, if I stick this rifle on the wall - hell, yeah! what a beauty. But if I actually plan to hit anything, I would rather do more research before I buy something that looks cool but may be not functional or fits my needs.

Thank you! I am happy to be here and have your wisdom and advice in support!
XOXO :)
 
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