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Hmm, interesting! For those who don't want to copy and paste the url address, here are some pics from that Gunbroker post...
And its description:
"944 Longbranch TP Sniper with Lyman Alaskan scope. Being sold as a reproduction as I am not 100% certain of the rifle being genuine as issued.The lower scope mount bracket is believed to be a reproduction due to the lack of any markings. Both the scope and rifle fall into the correct serial number range as noted in Clive Laws "Without Warning" book on Canadian Sniper equipment . Rifle is all matching #s. Many folks believe it to be authentic, but there is not a 100% buy in. Possibly a "lunch box special"... parts carried out of the factory during production by a factory worker, but then again, just another hypothesis. Anyway, I priced it accordingly as thus is a very rare and seldom seen Canadian ( British Commonwealth WW II sniper variant. More than happy to discuss any questions, please contact me. ALL the correct markings are present for a 1944 Longbranch TP sniper. Thnx for looking. "
And its description:
"944 Longbranch TP Sniper with Lyman Alaskan scope. Being sold as a reproduction as I am not 100% certain of the rifle being genuine as issued.The lower scope mount bracket is believed to be a reproduction due to the lack of any markings. Both the scope and rifle fall into the correct serial number range as noted in Clive Laws "Without Warning" book on Canadian Sniper equipment . Rifle is all matching #s. Many folks believe it to be authentic, but there is not a 100% buy in. Possibly a "lunch box special"... parts carried out of the factory during production by a factory worker, but then again, just another hypothesis. Anyway, I priced it accordingly as thus is a very rare and seldom seen Canadian ( British Commonwealth WW II sniper variant. More than happy to discuss any questions, please contact me. ALL the correct markings are present for a 1944 Longbranch TP sniper. Thnx for looking. "
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Interesting. I have seen only one before, so I can not really confirm or deny that this one is a real or reproduction. If it is a reproduction, then I would submit that is a VERY GOOD one. One thing that tends to support a real military Lyman Alaskan scope is the fact that the scope has a serial number on it in small numbers, (4499), and what looks like a "C-Broad Arrow" behind it.
I kind of question the "lunch box" theory, as the scope mount is numbered to the ( or a ) rifle. Such a numbered mount would be missed when it could not be accounted for in inventory. I would, however, expect to see a bit better finish on the top part of the scope mount.
The rear sight on this rifle is not original to a 1944 rifle. It has "C A S" marked on it. Long Branch operated under Small Arms Limited until December 31, 1945, after which date it became Canadian Arsenals.
After seeing the prices that are paid on "Gunbroker", I would say anyone wanting to buy it, that this will be a BOAT rifle. (Break Out Another Thousand --or Two.)
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Interesting. I have seen only one before, so I can not really confirm or deny that this one is a real or reproduction. If it is a reproduction, then I would submit that is a VERY GOOD one. One thing that tends to support a real military Lyman Alaskan scope is the fact that the scope has a serial number on it in small numbers, (4499), and what looks like a "C-Broad Arrow" behind it.
I kind of question the "lunch box" theory, as the scope mount is numbered to the ( or a ) rifle. Such a numbered mount would be missed when it could not be accounted for in inventory. I would, however, expect to see a bit better finish on the top part of the scope mount.
The rear sight on this rifle is not original to a 1944 rifle. It has "C A S" marked on it. Long Branch operated under Small Arms Limited until December 31, 1945, after which date it became Canadian Arsenals.
After seeing the prices that are paid on "Gunbroker", I would say anyone wanting to buy it, that this will be a BOAT rifle. (Break Out Another Thousand --or Two.)
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It's been for sale on gunbroker/milsurps/gunboards ect. more or less continuously for @ 2-1/2 years. Roughly since when the current owner originally purchased it...
The scope markings do not conform to any other known example.
Those clues should tell someone something....
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Just my reading of the description, but if someone says that an item is being sold as a reproduction, then dollars to donuts it is.
A rifle like that, which has potential for serious value, would be worth authenticating. If it can't be guaranteed as authentic, then assume that it a made up specimen.
A rifle like that, which has potential for serious value, would be worth authenticating. If it can't be guaranteed as authentic, then assume that it a made up specimen.
I seen 3 of these being put together at the local gun shop about 4 years ago,with this mount . did not think much about it at the time, as I was thinking some one was just making up examples. thinking now I should have taken photos of the serial numbers.
For the very serious Enfield collectors out there who may not have read it yet ….
With thanks to Advisory Panel members Clive "servicepub" Law and Lee Enfield, check the article in the Canada - Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=117-canada, along with a comprehensive additional 197 pic photo montage.
1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=430-1944-Enfield-No.4-Mk1*(T)-Long-Branch-TP-Sniper-Rifle
(Mfg by Long Branch Arsenal, Leaside, Ontario, Canada)
c/w matching Telescopic, Sighting C No.32, Mk.I(TP) (Trade Pattern) Scope Serial # 4392S (Mfg by Lyman-Alaskan), matching scope case and matching transit chest.
Regards,
Doug
With thanks to Advisory Panel members Clive "servicepub" Law and Lee Enfield, check the article in the Canada - Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=117-canada, along with a comprehensive additional 197 pic photo montage.
1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=430-1944-Enfield-No.4-Mk1*(T)-Long-Branch-TP-Sniper-Rifle
(Mfg by Long Branch Arsenal, Leaside, Ontario, Canada)
c/w matching Telescopic, Sighting C No.32, Mk.I(TP) (Trade Pattern) Scope Serial # 4392S (Mfg by Lyman-Alaskan), matching scope case and matching transit chest.
Regards,
Doug
Also, possibly of interest, here's an almost 3 year old thread about this piece ..
Longbranch TP Sniper. Comments anyone?http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=30505
Regards,
Doug
Although tangential, I thought this also might be of interest to members here, considering the topic of this thread and discussion about Trade Pattern scopes….
Besides the "all correct" example of a 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318 (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=430-1944-Enfield-No.4-Mk1*(T)-Long-Branch-TP-Sniper-Rifle in the Knowledge Library, mentioned earlier, my wife has an authentic Long Branch TP (Trade Pattern) scope Serial #4411s mounted on "put together" (done about 25-30 years ago) 1943 No.4 Mk1* Enfield (.303) Rifle Serial # #55C7424 (click here)http://imageevent.com/badgerdog/britishservicerifles/1943no4mk1savageenfield55c7424
Here's some pics of the scope extracted from the 191 pic photo montage ….
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Regards,
Doug
Besides the "all correct" example of a 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318 (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=430-1944-Enfield-No.4-Mk1*(T)-Long-Branch-TP-Sniper-Rifle in the Knowledge Library, mentioned earlier, my wife has an authentic Long Branch TP (Trade Pattern) scope Serial #4411s mounted on "put together" (done about 25-30 years ago) 1943 No.4 Mk1* Enfield (.303) Rifle Serial # #55C7424 (click here)http://imageevent.com/badgerdog/britishservicerifles/1943no4mk1savageenfield55c7424
Here's some pics of the scope extracted from the 191 pic photo montage ….
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Regards,
Doug
Looking at the photo of the scope cap on the subject rifle, I note that the cap has staking marks which do not coincide with the screw slots in the current screws. This would suggest that the mount was assembled, disassembled and reassembled. Sort of odd in a crisp rifle. No idea if this means anything.
