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I researched it a while back. I probably found all the same info as you. I blindly ranked it on par with Winchester. Probably fine for someone just getting into precision reloading. With that price, there’s bound to be more info around soon.
Saying all that, with some careful prep, Winchester brass has been on lots of podiums over the years. It is just a vessel for all the important bits after all. There’s no reason it won’t shoot as well as the top players if the prep is all done. It’s all about consistency. $2-$3k worth of brass processing gear and dies along with careful sorting will make any brass perform.
Saying all that, with some careful prep, Winchester brass has been on lots of podiums over the years. It is just a vessel for all the important bits after all. There’s no reason it won’t shoot as well as the top players if the prep is all done. It’s all about consistency. $2-$3k worth of brass processing gear and dies along with careful sorting will make any brass perform.
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Winchester in the Blue and White bags could be sorted and prepped into decent brass.
The stuff available today in black and red bags is garbage, literally not even worth buying.
Now this Kinetics stuff is probably OK, but at 174gr it won't produce top velocity due to reduced capacity, but it may last many loads if it's decent brass.
Yeah. The last bag of Winchester brass I opened had three deformed necks that were unusable. Consistency was poor as well. Realistically one third was culled. Then the prep began. The brass was fine otherwise. I just stick to the good stuff now. I saw the deal on kinetic and proceeded to pay almost $300 for 200 pieces of Peterson...
even at $50, starline is $80 on sale.
even at $50, starline is $80 on sale.
I picked up some Sig brass from Cabellas, it was on sale for $40/50 and free shipping. It looks OK, flash holes were cleanly punched with no burrs, weight was 155-157gr IIRC, length was uniform and not a single piece needed trimming out of the bag. Test will be how long it lasts...
Primer pocket lifeYou think SP brass is Better then LP brass ? in what way ?RJ
Lower SD in my experience
Keep us posted. Nobody wants to be a brass snob if they don’t have to. Both the sig and kinetic sound promising. I tried to run two different brands at once and it was a pain. Maybe next round. Starline is reasonable too. Decent reviews.
I received 500 cases from wolverine yesterday and did some basic measurements.
Weighing 20 cases:
Average 171.905
SD 0.466
High 173.2
Low 171.1
Lengths were very uniform at 1.911 almost no variation.
I stuck a flash hole deburring cutter in a few and there was very little if any burring to be removed and the flashholes looked properly centred. I primed ten with a lee hand primer and FC210M and they were neither tight or loose and the primers sat a few thou below the case head as they should.
Headspace measured with a Sinclair bump gauge were almost all at 1.498” with one or two at 1.500”
Neck thickness was a bit odd. With a bullet loaded, at the mouth they measured 0.291”, 0.292” mid-way, and 0.293” at the base. There was often 0.001” variations as you rotated the case in the calipers.
By comparison, some unfired loaded Lapua measured 0.2885” no matter where you meaured with never more than 0.0005” variation.
Six cases with bullets loaded into them all measured 0.002” or less runout on a Hornady concentricity gauge, which is plenty good and the ammunition would likely shoot to the capability of the whole rifle/bullet/shooter. I would think nothing of loading these up as is and shooting a PRS match (which of course does not require sub-half-MOA accuracy)
Naturally these are just very basic observations and we’ll see how brass life, primer pocket life etc measure up in the springtime.
Weighing 20 cases:
Average 171.905
SD 0.466
High 173.2
Low 171.1
Lengths were very uniform at 1.911 almost no variation.
I stuck a flash hole deburring cutter in a few and there was very little if any burring to be removed and the flashholes looked properly centred. I primed ten with a lee hand primer and FC210M and they were neither tight or loose and the primers sat a few thou below the case head as they should.
Headspace measured with a Sinclair bump gauge were almost all at 1.498” with one or two at 1.500”
Neck thickness was a bit odd. With a bullet loaded, at the mouth they measured 0.291”, 0.292” mid-way, and 0.293” at the base. There was often 0.001” variations as you rotated the case in the calipers.
By comparison, some unfired loaded Lapua measured 0.2885” no matter where you meaured with never more than 0.0005” variation.
Six cases with bullets loaded into them all measured 0.002” or less runout on a Hornady concentricity gauge, which is plenty good and the ammunition would likely shoot to the capability of the whole rifle/bullet/shooter. I would think nothing of loading these up as is and shooting a PRS match (which of course does not require sub-half-MOA accuracy)
Naturally these are just very basic observations and we’ll see how brass life, primer pocket life etc measure up in the springtime.
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