So. My buddy & I went up to his camp to go head-to-head with the two Turkish shotguns. His is the Canadian Edition Derya Mk12, and mine is the Typhoon F12 Maxi-Bronze. Both guns were stripped, cleaned, and oiled prior to use, and both guns had 400 rounds put through them. Here's the report:
I'll start with the Derya, since it's the easiest to describe. It worked. Fired everything. Light loads, heavy loads, high brass, low brass. 2 3/4", 2 5/8", 3". Not a single hiccup, no cleaning during the 400 rounds. Cycled from open or closed bolt, including with a 6th floated round. As well, it is interesting to note, it cycled with the F12 magazines without issue. The Typhoon mags (all 8 x 5-rounders I brought) all cycled fine. No playing to get them to load - they just snapped right in and rock and rolled.
Now for my piece of crap.
The Derya mags wouldn't fit. Wouldn't clip into place. This didn't matter, because the F12 mags worked like crap as well. My gun would not, under any circumstances, cycle if loaded via closed bolt. With open bolt, I had maybe a 50-50 success rate of the full mag cycling and firing fine. Usually, one of three things happened - the round jammed (which could be due to tight springs, but 3 of the mags were worked in and not brand-new and all worked in the Derya), or the bolt appeared to go all the way forward and then click with no bang (the round would be reloaded & re-used once safely ejected), or the bolt would go most of the way and stop short of loading completely. Didn't matter the load, size, etc. It behaved this way with everything. These malfunctions occurred pretty much every other mag. Loads didn't matter. I know you can set the Typhoon to light or heavy so I tried consistent heavy loads. Didn't matter. The thing malfunctioned just as consistent with heavy loads (it was set to that) or light ones.
The rear flip-up sight fell apart. The spring & pin shook loose and it fell off. The rubber shoulder pad attached to the plastic insert (which clips into the butt stock), popped out and fell off. As well, sometimes, on the last round, the bolt would not lock open, or it would cycle back to eject the spent round, and slam back forward again with no round and an empty mag.
As an aside, as with most other Typhoons, it will not cycle Estate buckshot rounds. I don't know what the hell the problem is with this gun. The ammo was from varied brands, didn't matter. The Typhoon will cycle through full mags of snap caps via open bolt (I haven't tried closed bolt yet), but for that I have to #### the handle each time, of course. No issues at all each time. The gas is just not cycling enough or something.
On a positive note, I have a large length of chain, so I can tie it to my Typhoon and then use the setup to keep my boat from floating away when I'm out fishing.
Cannon
I'll start with the Derya, since it's the easiest to describe. It worked. Fired everything. Light loads, heavy loads, high brass, low brass. 2 3/4", 2 5/8", 3". Not a single hiccup, no cleaning during the 400 rounds. Cycled from open or closed bolt, including with a 6th floated round. As well, it is interesting to note, it cycled with the F12 magazines without issue. The Typhoon mags (all 8 x 5-rounders I brought) all cycled fine. No playing to get them to load - they just snapped right in and rock and rolled.
Now for my piece of crap.
The Derya mags wouldn't fit. Wouldn't clip into place. This didn't matter, because the F12 mags worked like crap as well. My gun would not, under any circumstances, cycle if loaded via closed bolt. With open bolt, I had maybe a 50-50 success rate of the full mag cycling and firing fine. Usually, one of three things happened - the round jammed (which could be due to tight springs, but 3 of the mags were worked in and not brand-new and all worked in the Derya), or the bolt appeared to go all the way forward and then click with no bang (the round would be reloaded & re-used once safely ejected), or the bolt would go most of the way and stop short of loading completely. Didn't matter the load, size, etc. It behaved this way with everything. These malfunctions occurred pretty much every other mag. Loads didn't matter. I know you can set the Typhoon to light or heavy so I tried consistent heavy loads. Didn't matter. The thing malfunctioned just as consistent with heavy loads (it was set to that) or light ones.
The rear flip-up sight fell apart. The spring & pin shook loose and it fell off. The rubber shoulder pad attached to the plastic insert (which clips into the butt stock), popped out and fell off. As well, sometimes, on the last round, the bolt would not lock open, or it would cycle back to eject the spent round, and slam back forward again with no round and an empty mag.
As an aside, as with most other Typhoons, it will not cycle Estate buckshot rounds. I don't know what the hell the problem is with this gun. The ammo was from varied brands, didn't matter. The Typhoon will cycle through full mags of snap caps via open bolt (I haven't tried closed bolt yet), but for that I have to #### the handle each time, of course. No issues at all each time. The gas is just not cycling enough or something.
On a positive note, I have a large length of chain, so I can tie it to my Typhoon and then use the setup to keep my boat from floating away when I'm out fishing.
Cannon
