Diana 430 Stutzen

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David Gooding

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I had one of these in England, I had to sell it for cheap when I entered Canada as it was over the legal limit in power which made I cringe a little bit, but will never forget how very accurate the German made sporting and hunting gun was, I brought it brand new at the local gun shop, they didn't just have one lying about in store so i ordered it direct from Diana in Germany through the gun shop which was just as well as the questions they had to answer both border agency's was mind blowing, the time it took to get to me.... 5 months

When it finally arrived I didn't waste time taking it to the outdoor range, I pigeon holed myself to the stand, pointed the muzzle downrange cocked the underlever and loaded a pellet, made sure safety was on, I rested the gun on a leather sandbag while positioning myself on a chair provided. I then spent a bit of time getting a feel of the manlicher full length stock which makes it easy to apply any position, Looking down the iron sights is easy and a quick acquisition of all the varying metal and paper targets becomes very apparent, the range went from 10 yard pistol shooting all the way out to 100 yards I focused on targets at 65 yards, there I could see a few bells of varying sizes, next to me was a guy shooting an HW100 pcp laughed at my gun saying its not very accurate, I just ignored his comments, I was eyeing up the larger of the bells, my posture was relaxed, there was no straining to keep my sights on the target, my grip on the gun was very light but not too light the gun could fall, I flicked the safety off took a deep breath, slowly breathed out to that point of no breathing, I seem to lose track of time when that happens but within 5 seconds im squeezing that trigger till it is let loose, when it fired it made that bell ring not only that the recoil on this thing has an interesting kickback it reverberated throughout the stand

after spending and entire two days getting used to this gun It and I went on a culling trip taking out rats at a horse stable in the English countryside, average range about 25 yards for a clean dispatch of quarry

Diana 430 stutzen
.177 cal
Roughly 800fps with zero trajectory out to 65 yards which is why I didn't fit a scope, I had both eyes open for quick acquisition
Manlicher walnut stock full length
underlever which was a pain to #### due to its short length


I well and truly miss that gun but needs must and I moved on
 
My mistake, Im still learning the different terminology used in Canada and the UK I meant a "flat" trajectory or no pellet drop once the pellet leaves the muzzle in this case the pellet out to 65 yards, of course you can have windage issues at that speed and distance which could make a pellet "fly" would be interesting to see the pellet continue a zero trajectory and keep going into space lol
 
David Gooding said:
My mistake, Im still learning the different terminology used in Canada and the UK I meant a "flat" trajectory or no pellet drop once the pellet leaves the muzzle in this case the pellet out to 65 yards, of course you can have windage issues at that speed and distance which could make a pellet "fly" would be interesting to see the pellet continue a zero trajectory and keep going into space lol
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While the pellet may be relatively flat-shooting, no projectile has a completely flat trajectory, or no drop, at any distance other than immediately beyond the muzzle. Gravity affects it once it leaves the barrel, imperceptibly at first, but more and more the further it goes. Since pellets are relatively slow and slow down fairly quickly in flight, the effect of gravity is easily observed.

To be sure, for an airgun pellet a .177 pellet at a typical 8.4 grains has a relatively flat trajectory. With an MV of 800 fps, that pellet will drop about 1.5" at 25 yards, over 7" at 50, and about 14" at 65 yards. This is when the bore is aimed directly at the target with no elevation and hence no initial upward trajectory for the pellet.

Below is a ballistics chart generated by Hawke Chairgun. The pellet is 8.4 grains with an initial muzzle velocity of 800 fps. The bore is aligned so that there is no upward trajectory.



If the air rifle is zeroed at 50 yards -- that is, on target at that range -- the trajectory will have to be elevated. This means that at 25 yards the pellet would strike about 2.3" above the line of sight and on point of aim (POA) at 50. At 65 yards the arcing trajectory would put it just over 4" below the line of sight.

 
Thank you gunsaholic for the info, if I had a scope on the Diana Im sure I would have seen the pellet drop while "holding" the target in my sights and only releasing the trigger when I heard that bell chime, I just automatically holdover any target out to 45 yards even more so at 65 yards to a max of 100 at that distance Im not sighting the target im guessing and that is a big no no in shooting, even though the fps is greater than I could get in Canada without a PAL It is a pellet gun so any correct dispatching of rats if im to be humain about it has a flat trajectory out to 25 30 yards
 
they have the 430 .177 at 870fps, its the same gun only difference is the stock, I would still buy this rifle but in this country I would need a PAL, if Im having to acquire a certificate to shoot peas I may as well upgrade to 22 rimfire or 22 long rifle
 
gunsaholic said:
They don't show them in stock and none come up on a search on their site?
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It comes up if you search "Diana 430" or "430" but I find searches in general (not just on D&L's site) to be notoriously temperamental.
https://dlairgun.com/collections/diana-rifles/products/430

Interesting that the price of the 430 is the same as the underlever K98, which I seem to recall is based off the more expensive 460 (the rated velocities are the same as the 460 as well). I wonder if that price difference is due being able to sell more of the K98 models than the regular 460 or if there is some other reason for why it's cheaper
 
I certainly seem to have contradicted myself on zero trajectory lol, when I was learning how to shoot I put so much thought into every aspect of shooting that I missed the target each time, its out of frustration at being hopeless at shooting that I realized I was putting way too much effort into each shot, just by relaxing alone, not gripping the stutzen hard allowing the gun to recoil in its own way, closing my eyes for a few seconds, checking to see if I have moved off target when I open them while breathing becomes shallower each time I breath out, apart from feeling your own heart beat you slowly squeeze that trigger. I aimed for the top of the bell just where it connects to the chain,

old habits die hard when using iron sights, I had no thought for trajectory I just did, there was no cross wind so aiming was automatic for windage
 
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