Dilemma re: Winchester CRPF action for a build

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I love my Model 70 Coyote light CRPF action and am contemplating using it for a build. The only thing that has me concerned is the extractor on it; how durable and reliable is it? It's only held in the slide by the tension provided by the detent ball & spring. Will it stay in place with rigorous, maybe 'unkind' use? I've never really subjected it to any sort of abuse to test this....yet. It has always functioned flawlessly but coyote hunting is about the most extreme situation it has seen (and yes, that can get pretty wrangy).

Lately, I tend to use my rifles more as tools, not instruments, if you get what I mean. No, not crowbar bad...:p Just wondering what other guys have to say about this extraction set up (experience, not speculation). For those who will ask, the intended use will be running around like an idiot, shooting at things from awkward positions under time constraints for bragging rights. Thanks fellas!

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Yes, controlled round push feed. They essentially milled the bottom of the bolt nose flush with the face. That portion looks more or less like the controlled round bolt face / nose and they put the push feed extractor in.

Seems I'd read somewhere years ago that the Model 70 push feed extractor had some troubles.
 
Okay so it's really just a push feed Mod 70.......gottcha. I had no end of grief with an old push feed extractor, and my loads were not even warm, as I was using it for silhouette. Replaced 3 times and finally gave up and threw in the rack and built another one, not using a pushfeed Mod 70.........
 
c-fbmi said:
Okay so it's really just a push feed Mod 70.......gottcha. I had no end of grief with an old push feed extractor, and my loads were not even warm, as I was using it for silhouette. Replaced 3 times and finally gave up and threw in the rack and built another one, not using a pushfeed Mod 70.........
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notsorichguy said:
We've had this conversation before....

Sell the '70. Buy a Rem 700 SA....

;)

Cheers!
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I'm trying hard not to say "it"......

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Th CRPF is a good solid action and I like it better than the 700 rem. the extractor has no issues and has been around for a long time.
Especially for a tactical build it's the cat's meow.
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I see makers such as BAT, Kelbly, and Bighorn are making actions with this type of set up, so the design should be reasonably sound, you would think. C-fbmi, what would you say was the problem with yours? Slide / groove too large (extractor popping out b/c of clearance)? Not enough tension to hold it there? Poor material?
 
We're talking a lot of years back, but as I recall the extractor itself kept coming out of the slot cut in the bolt lug face. New extractors didn't help so it must have been the extractor slot out of spec in the bolt lug itself. But to be 100% honest I really don't recall exactly, that was more than 30 years ago...............I can tell you that when it happens and falls out at the range, the possibility of finding it is about zero...........I vividly remember that part, and only thanks to a member who had a cleaning rod handy that I was able to finish the match.
I view the design, at least in the Winchester to be quite flimsy. Others may be using a similar design but I suspect they are doing it a little differently and making the extractor a little heavier at least on the slide/slot area. This action may have been abused before I bought it but it didn't really look like it. I do remember cursing the crappy extractor and vowing never again.........The only Remington extractor I have ever broken was through pure abuse on my part, I have actually ripped chunks of rims off with Remington extractors and they still functioned just fine. Everybody berates Rem 700 extractors, but my experience with them, in likely close to 100 that I have owned and used, has been exemplary. I can say for a fact that I have personally changed and seen more 98 Mauser style extractors broken by 10X than I have Rem 700. I saw 3 broken extractors of the 98 style on the silhouette range one day............
Everybody gets "Monday Morning" guns from time to time, I suppose, and I do have another very old Mod 70 push feed Featherweight, with the McMillan fiberglass stock in 280 that has never given a minutes grief. So there ya go, who's to say...........
I will say though, that after the problems I did have and the reservations I have about the flimsy design, I would never build another custom/semi custom on this action. There are too many much better actions and extractor designs out there to waste your time with even the possibility of a poor extractor and having it fail. JMHO and experience.
 
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Thank you, sir. Exactly what I was looking for. Not exactly what I was hoping to hear but it's good to know nevertheless. I very much agree about the 700 extractor and have had the same experiences (not 100 of them but several, plus an old 760 that killed more things than God).

I have something very deep in me that severely dislikes running with the herd. And this applies across the board. Social convention is like DNA that I just don't have. Don't get me wrong, I like 700s and I think they do the job, I just don't want to do another one. I feel I've had enough of them. I guess I'll just have to run the living snot out of that Model 70 & see how it does.

Now, how about those Vanguard actions..............:stirthepot2:
 
358R.........I just tore my first Vanguard apart the other day and yanked the barrel off in preparation for it to become a 234 Penguin. It looks just fine so far, not something one would want to attempt to build an ultra light rifle on, but certainly a good action all around from what I've seen of it. I like it and I think it will make a great mid weight, light varmint type rifle for my 234 Penguin with a 26" tube.
 
I have a little .204 Vanguard Sub MOA that I really enjoy. Not a huge fan of the calibre, since several coyotes have begged for a second dose. Maybe I've just been spoiled by the .243s I've used forever for that task. Anyway, the Vanguard extracts well, ejects like it's possessed & a super-obsessive fella I know who bought his own machinery to smith his own rifles just so he could shoot into & under the .1s, thinks they're very well built as well. That's gotta say something.

I especially like the primary extraction setup - much more positive than the 700s. I've seen many 700s where the primary extraction ramps don't even engage before the lugs have long ago disengaged. I don't see this problem with either the Vanguard or the Model 70s.

Thanks for the feedback, Doug. Let us know how the build turns out. And tell us more about the 234 Penguin, please.

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