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Why is Wolverine Supplies still offering Law Enforcement Discount to the RCMP?

https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/military-law-enforcement

I would have stop doing any business or offering any service to the RCMP when they screwed you guys over by declaring the Spartan CZ 858 prohibited.

I am not telling you how you should run your business, but I will not be selling firearms to anyone who wants take what is legally mine away from me, be they robbers or the RCMP. I raised this question in one of the threads and I got a few responses.

captainamazing said:
Because the Rank and File RCMP officers and other LEOs have as much to do with the civilian staffed RCMP firearm lab as you do.

They are liberal minded politicians that work for the RCMP most of them are political science majors and social engineers. These types of people work for the DND as well
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Other LEOs like those municipal police forces can still get the discount, because they are not RCMP.

Why hasn't any RCMP officers spoken out about these decisions? Why hasn't I read any thread on there that tells the story of a RCMP officer catching someone with a 10+RD 10/22 magazine and letting the guy go and telling the guy that he thinks the ruling is stupid? Why isn't there any RCMP officers in their uniform taking a selfie with a picture that read, "I will not disarm law abiding gun owners." Remember, the soldier that carry out an illegal order is just as guilty as the superior that gave the order.

KeltecFan said:
It's not the guys on the job doing this to us.
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Are they following the order from above? If so, then they are just as guilty as Bob Paulson. Nuremberg defense just doesn't work.

Instead of hijacking that thread, I decided to start a new thread to raise this question.

In New Zealand, a gun range refuse to rent their facility to their police over their gun laws. In US, numerous arms manufactures refuse to do business with Californian law enforcement agencies over THEIR gun law. Why can't gun clubs, ranges, and businesses do something similar? If the Manitoba CFO is extorting you and threatening to suspend your firearms business licence or raid you if you don't offer them discounts, you need to speak out. This is the only reason I can think of as to why stores are still offering LEOs discount and ranges still renting to RCMP.

As for me, I talk the talk, I will walk the walk. While I don't own a gun store and I am to new too train anybody, I will do something similar.

Next time I go donate blood, I am going to ask Canada Blood Services if they can add a note to my bag of blood that states, "I do not want this to be given to a RCMP officer." I am also thinking about becoming an organ donor, I will probably add the same note, "I do not want any of my organ donated to any RCMP member or their families."
 
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It's not the rank and file...it's the politicians in the upper echelon causing the sh1t.
 
I agree, the blood and organ donor bit is a little out there, but I also agree with the basic premise. True, the rank and file aren't involved in making the policy but they are involved in enforcing it. If they start reporting back up the chain that they're seeing grassroots blowback from their policies, maybe that'll help get the upper level guys to back off.

Edit: For that matter, maybe we should be doing some grassroots lobbying as well. If you know an RCMP officer, tell them what you think of this policy and ask them to relay it up the chain. Let them know that we think this policy isn't helping with anything and is in fact causing people to lose respect for the force. It's better to get a dialog going instead of just letting this build up until it turns into outright civil disobedience.
 
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joe n said:
It's not the rank and file...it's the politicians in the upper echelon causing the sh1t.
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Megaclocker said:
+1 and members got absolutely no control over those firearms ruling.
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Befehl ist Befehl (German for "an order is an order") doesn't work. These so-call rank and file are still following order from above and carrying them out, aren't they? Then they are as guilty as the upper echelon.

BeaverMeat said:
You had some momentum going with this thread.... but you went flat on your face with the blood and organ doner bit.
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It's my blood and organ, but you are right, I should probably keep this between myself and the nurse that screens me.
 
In my opinion you make a great argument, business owner could just say "discount!, didnt your boss just try to bankrupt me?", and the guys on the front lines don't seem to want to stick up for us, or at least are very quiet about it. I work union industrial sector, we would call that bag licking.
On a side note, I am sure I read that law enforcement does not swear an oath to uphold canadian values but to protect the interest of the crown. So I would start to make changes right there


Also it feels like they pick and chose when and how to enforce these laws, such as dispenseries, homeless people panhandling in the streets etc...
 
You had me up to the organ donor bit.

But the entire RCMP need to be held accountable. You want to work for them thats your choice no special treatment. because you just follow orders
I will actually look to see if a dealer offer's a discount to LEO and take my money to another place.
 
Yes, he had me as well till he got to the organ donor part.

I remember reading few weeks ago that some RCMP officers are already involved in a protest;

RCMP strip their yellow stripes in protest of being without a contract, and to encourage members to form a union. (click here to read more)

So they are more then capable of "going" against the chain of command when it involves their pay.

BeaverMeat said:
You had some momentum going with this thread.... but you went flat on your face with the blood and organ doner bit.
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Why is Wolverine Supplies still offering Law Enforcement Discount to the RCMP?

https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/military-law-enforcement

I would have stop doing any business or offering any service to the RCMP when they screwed you guys over by declaring the Spartan CZ 858 prohibited.

I am not telling you how you should run your business, but I will not be selling firearms to anyone who wants take what is legally mine away from me, be they robbers or the RCMP. I raised this question in one of the threads and I got a few responses.



Other LEOs like those municipal police forces can still get the discount, because they are not RCMP.

Why hasn't any RCMP officers spoken out about these decisions? Why hasn't I read any thread on there that tells the story of a RCMP officer catching someone with a 10+RD 10/22 magazine and letting the guy go and telling the guy that he thinks the ruling is stupid? Why isn't there any RCMP officers in their uniform taking a selfie with a picture that read, "I will not disarm law abiding gun owners." Remember, the soldier that carry out an illegal order is just as guilty as the superior that gave the order.



Are they following the order from above? If so, then they are just as guilty as Bob Paulson. Nuremberg defense just doesn't work.

Instead of hijacking that thread, I decided to start a new thread to raise this question.

In New Zealand, a gun range refuse to rent their facility to their police over their gun laws. In US, numerous arms manufactures refuse to do business with Californian law enforcement agencies over THEIR gun law. Why can't gun clubs, ranges, and businesses do something similar? If the Manitoba CFO is extorting you and threatening to suspend your firearms business licence or raid you if you don't offer them discounts, you need to speak out. This is the only reason I can think of as to why stores are still offering LEOs discount and ranges still renting to RCMP.

As for me, I talk the talk, I will walk the walk. While I don't own a gun store and I am to new to train anybody, I will do something similar.

Next time I go donate blood, I am going to ask Canada Blood Services if they can add a note to my bag of blood that states, "I do not want this to be given to a RCMP officer." I am also thinking about becoming an organ donor, I will probably add the same note, "I do not want any of my organ donated to any RCMP member or their families."
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I think this is a nonsense rant. I said so in the other thread and IMO, your rant here even makes it more clear. Since you repeated my quote I will repeat another one of mine. I have a friend who is a civilian member of the RCMP. Should I kick him in the nuts the next time I see him? Well? By the way, please make sure you also pin a note to yourself saying that you only want the help of non RCMP officers in the event that you are in any kind of trouble requiring LEO assistance.

Don't get me wrong. I think that the RCMP firearms lab is making interpretations into laws but it is the current Office of Public Safety that is letting it happen. There is no oversight. How is that even remotely caused by the folks on the front lines? Also, equating it to genocide is a stretch, no?
 
Hmmmmmmmm...........................wonder how all this is gonna go.
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If the RCMP can paint all gun owners (legal or otherwise) with the same brush then I'm okay with returning the favor.
I agree whole heartedly. It's time that other vendors started revoking their discounts.
 
An interesting point, but there is another consideration to make. In many of these cases, it is likely isn't the directors of the RCMP or Public Safety that make the specific decisions themselves, but instead they set a goal for specific work groups, such as "look through the Firearms Act and see if we missed anything in regards to enforcement". Then a bunch of policy analysts and legal specialists do what the task set before them is and report to the directorate who then render an edict. The analysts and specialists themselves might not agree with the interpretations they come up with (or more likely it doesn't really affect them), but they do it for the 55K$ a year salary, very stable pay, excellent benefits, indexed pension, and the other perks of a federal government job. The actual directors themselves likely do not themselves wake up and think "hmm, if X is equal to N, and Y is equal to P, the if we do f(X) blah blah blah we can screw a bunch of people over". The actual thinking is done by people who are not doing it out of malice or much political favour (because they are unionized unlike the directorate and they could slack off and nothing would happen to them, while the directorate has to spend at least 40% of their working time currying political favour in order to not be fired) they are doing it because it puts food on the table.

So whom do you want to punish? The people who are doing the thinking and creatively coming up with these ideas for 55K$/year or the people who are licking the boots of those in political power in order to not get fired from their 140K$/year role?

Of course, the 140K$/year people should (well, they are paid to make decisions for the public instead of for themselves after all) be the ones to take the ideas from the 55K$/year people and decide "This is (or is not) a fair or reasonable expectation of public service for the people of Canada." instead of "How can I spin this to survive my next performance review, or, even better, make me look good for the folks in that neogothic structure down by the river so that I will be promoted to a 220K$/year role?" But sadly, the more treasure you accumulate, the more you have to share it with those that help you accumulate the treasure.
 
Yes, they have Home Depot's Contractor Pro (volume pricing discounts) program that helps contractors succeed on the job. And if you were trying to ban lumber, I don't think you would have it for long. :p

.308ACADIAN said:
I wonder if home depot will give a discount cause I work construction
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