Displaying Shotgun With Side Saddle Loaded?

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What's the law on this? Can you "display" a shotgun on a wall with the side saddle loaded with live ammunition? Or would that be unsafe storage
 
Really depends if you are present or not and/or if you have a display case that is impenetrable. :)

Shotgun with a trigger lock and side saddle with shells attached to it while hanging on a wall and you are not in direct control of it= unsafe storage.

If you are present in the room it's completely legal. Remove the shells and leave the room and it's legsl. Leave shells on the carrier and lock shotgun in plexiglass display case, it's legal.
 
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yes, Your a Newbie, but what does your firearms training suggest to you about this?
Not only that but, one of the basic firearms Rules suggest that to treat all firearms as loaded, so if it where me I would ASSume it was loaded myself..even if on display.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
I know this may not be law but it is on the RCMP web site and it really makes sense.
"Here are the rules for displaying firearms in your home: Ammunition cannot be displayed with, or accessible to, the firearms."
If it is for display only purposes, why not make up some dummy shells to put in the saddle. If it is for a ready weapon, have the shells in a out of the way but convenient and known to you spot.
 
Beermaker said:
I know this may not be law but it is on the RCMP web site and it really makes sense.
"Here are the rules for displaying firearms in your home: Ammunition cannot be displayed with, or accessible to, the firearms."
If it is for display only purposes, why not make up some dummy shells to put in the saddle. If it is for a ready weapon, have the shells in a out of the way but convenient and known to you spot.
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Here is the law as written:

DISPLAY OF NON-RESTRICTED FIREARMS

8. An individual may display a non-restricted firearm only if it
(a) is unloaded;
(b) is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device or is in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and
(c) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it.
DISPLAY OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS AND PROHIBITED FIREARMS

9. (1) An individual may display a restricted firearm or a prohibited firearm in a dwelling-house only if
(a) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is unloaded;
(b) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;
(c) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is securely attached to a non-portable structure in such a manner that it cannot readily be removed;
(d) the restricted firearm or prohibited firearm is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it; and
(e) in the case of an automatic firearm that has a removable bolt or bolt-carrier, the bolt or bolt-carrier is removed and stored in a room that is different from the room in which the automatic firearm is displayed, that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
(2) An individual may display a restricted firearm in a place other than a dwelling-house only if it
(a) is unloaded;
(b) is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;
(c) is, subject to subsection (4), securely attached to a structure on which it is displayed by a chain, metal cable or similar device in such a manner that the restricted firearm cannot readily be removed; and
(d) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it, unless the ammunition is displayed in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
(3) An individual may display a prohibited firearm in a place other than a dwelling-house only if
(a) the prohibited firearm is unloaded;
(b) the prohibited firearm is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;
(c) the prohibited firearm is, subject to subsection (4), securely attached to a structure on which it is displayed by a chain, metal cable or similar device in such a manner that the prohibited firearm cannot readily be removed;
(d) the prohibited firearm is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it, unless the ammunition is displayed in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and
(e) in the case of an automatic firearm that has a removable bolt or bolt-carrier, the bolt or bolt-carrier is removed and stored in a room that is different from the room in which the automatic firearm is displayed, that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.
(4) Paragraphs (2)(c) and (3)(c) do not apply if the firearm is detached from the structure so that the firearm may be handled by a person under the direct and immediate supervision of the individual displaying it.
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NO you cannot display the firearm legally with ammunition.

I would even suggest refraining from using dummy rounds.
 
Beermaker said:
I know this may not be law but it is on the RCMP web site and it really makes sense.
"Here are the rules for displaying firearms in your home: Ammunition cannot be displayed with, or accessible to, the firearms."
If it is for display only purposes, why not make up some dummy shells to put in the saddle. If it is for a ready weapon, have the shells in a out of the way but convenient and known to you spot.
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The RCMP site is not the law and has been wrong numerous times

The justice site is the law. And if you think the RCMP site will save your remember this:

This fact sheet is intended to provide general information. For legal references, please refer to the Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.
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Which is on every page of the RCMP site

Shawn
 
ProX2 said:
Or make life easy and put 10g. ammo in the side saddle for you 12g. shotgun. Its a easy way to get around the law and it will look the same...
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Where in the law is it said the ammo has to fit the firearm in question ??

Oh yea , it don't.
I believe there was a guy charged somewhere , for ammo that did not even fit the gun in question.

Simply not worth the risk
 
skneub said:
Where in the law is it said the ammo has to fit the firearm in question ??

Oh yea , it don't....
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And the first search result when you type "firearms act Canada display of firearm ammunition" into Google is...

DISPLAY OF NON-RESTRICTED FIREARMS
8. An individual may display a non-restricted firearm only if it

(a) is unloaded;

(b) is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device or is in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

(c) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it.
 
skneub said:
Where in the law is it said the ammo has to fit the firearm in question ??

Oh yea , it don't.
I believe there was a guy charged somewhere , for ammo that did not even fit the gun in question.

Simply not worth the risk
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I guess you didn't read the above???

(c) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it.
 
ProX2 said:
I guess you didn't read the above???

(c) is not displayed with and is not readily accessible to ammunition that can be discharged from it.
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One can be charged with the readily accessible ammunition anytime ...
Whether it is determined at the time of arrest/detainment and the time it goes to Crown for determination is another matter.
FLHTCUI
 
FLHTCUI said:
One can be charged with the readily accessible ammunition anytime ...
Whether it is determined at the time of arrest/detainment and the time it goes to Crown for determination is another matter.
FLHTCUI
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Yes, I seem to remember a case where a man was convicted on the basis of a judge's opinion that a .22 rifle "could be readily modified" to discharge 12g shotshells
 
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