Distances for shooting steel targets in canada

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So as many people know the rules in Canada have stated steel must be at 10m minimum for pistol. Well no longer! After today's demo with our range inspector we are good to go for 7yds with reactive steel. So ringer plates, poppers, knockdown plates, can now be at 7yds . static plates are still 10m. The only caveat is hay bales or similar barriers need to be placed to ensure ground ricochet are contained on the close plates. Unsure how this is going to be rolled out, if it's just going to be western Canada,, BC or what but will keep you updated as I get more info.
Massive thanks to the BC CFO for the prompt response to my queries and for coming over and investigating this with us.
 
WOW!!! That is the exact opposite of our douche-bag CFO. He actually had wanted to BAN ALL STEEL on ranges in NB. (he actually still does, and keeps trying to push it). He also wanted to make ALL paper targets to be placed within 2 metres of any berm; although that decision was quickly thrown to the waste basket after the Firearms Advisory committee heard of it...(they are club reps from NB)

I am jealous, I want your CFO to transfer to NB.
 
Whose rules

Slavex said:
So as many people know the rules in Canada have stated steel must be at 10m minimum for pistol......
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Which rule's???

Where does this come from:confused:

IPSC Canada has applied for and received for an exemption to require steel to placed at 10m or farther but other than that I believe this is a Provincial CFO's requirement?

Where is it written as a Canadian rule? :confused:

John
 
I have heard that it started with the Ontarion CFO stating that he would shut down any range shooting steel under 10m.

I have no proof of this just what I have heard.
 
Sosa said:
I have heard that it started with the Ontarion CFO stating that he would shut down any range shooting steel under 10m.

I have no proof of this just what I have heard.
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Not if they are in a bunker.

And OP these regulations aree made by the CFO of each individual province, and rely only on his opinion.

There is no Canadian law on the topic, and not even a consensus among CFO's as far as I can tell.
 
I'm wondering what sort of velocity and range a ricochet from a flat impact on a steel target would have? I'm guessing, but I would think 90 percent of the energy would be lost after striking a steel plate flat on, and that it would only carry a hundred yards further, like it was flung from a slingshot.
 
Great work Slavex :dancingbanana:.
I'm pretty sure having steel at 7m(+) is only for BC as approved by the BC-CFO. People in other provinces will have to convince their provincial CFO's shooting steel @ 7m is safe.
 
John in B.C. said:
Which rule's???
Where does this come from:confused:

IPSC Canada has applied for and received for an exemption to require steel to placed at 10m or farther but other than that I believe this is a Provincial CFO's requirement?

Where is it written as a Canadian rule? :confused:
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Here http://www.nroi-canada.org/faq.html
 
StoneHorse said:
Great work Slavex :dancingbanana:.
I'm pretty sure having steel at 7m(+) is only for BC as approved by the BC-CFO. People in other provinces will have to convince their provincial CFO's shooting steel @ 7m is safe.
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when we started looking into it and working with them to get the distance changed to 7m with reactive steel the range guy for the BC CFO talked to the range guy for canada for his opinion/ruling and he said 10m minimum for steel targets. so that would be the canadian rule that slavex is talking about
 
The "rule" is a policy adopted country wide based on input from National Range Coordinator for the CFC it has nothing to do with IPSC. It is NOT law, it is policy. As such I asked for it to be changed so that we could shoot Steel Challenge The way it is meant to be shot, with some targets ať 7yds. We DO NOT have to shroud steel, which is a totally pointless endeavor unless you are protecting lights above the steel. Properly designed and maintained targets will not produce deadly ricochets. The only reason we need to put hay bales just in front of the stands is to stop the odd ricochet off the ground and off the stand from the properly deflected bullet hitting the target. Once you get back past 10m there typically isn't enough energy in those ricochets to make it back to the firing line.
The testing we did will allow for other clubs to ask for similar exemptions, since BC and Alberta share the same Range Coordinator I would assume Albertans will have no issues getting those exemptions. I would like to encourage all clubs across the country to similarly apply once I have the letter detailing everything. This could finally allow us to set steel at the same distances we see internationally in IPSC and other handgun shooting sports.
 
Right on

Slavex said:
The "rule" is a policy adopted country wide based on input from National Range Coordinator for the CFC it has nothing to do with IPSC. It is NOT law, it is policy. As such I asked for it to be changed so that we could shoot Steel Challenge The way it is meant to be shot, with some targets ať 7yds. We DO NOT have to shroud steel, which is a totally pointless endeavor unless you are protecting lights above the steel. Properly designed and maintained targets will not produce deadly ricochets. The only reason we need to put hay bales just in front of the stands is to stop the odd ricochet off the ground and off the stand from the properly deflected bullet hitting the target. Once you get back past 10m there typically isn't enough energy in those ricochets to make it back to the firing line.
The testing we did will allow for other clubs to ask for similar exemptions, since BC and Alberta share the same Range Coordinator I would assume Albertans will have no issues getting those exemptions. I would like to encourage all clubs across the country to similarly apply once I have the letter detailing everything. This could finally allow us to set steel at the same distances we see internationally in IPSC and other handgun shooting sports.
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Thanks for that.

I kind of wondered because everytime someone told me this was Canadian Law I asked them to point it out to me and they never could.

Now we know :D

Good work by the way. It's always nice when the CFO let's us catch up with the rest of the world :D

John
 
Slavex said:
The testing we did will allow for other clubs to ask for similar exemptions, since BC and Alberta share the same Range Coordinator I would assume Albertans will have no issues getting those exemptions.
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I think Albertans never knew they needed special permission to shoot SC, have been doing it for years.
 
ricochets

Shot my .375 Ruger at a heavy steel plate suspended with a chain at about 50 yards....the projectile went thru, but the bullet shed it's copper jacket, which came straight back and hit my shooting partner in the leg....no penetration, but a helluva wake-up call........
 
longknife said:
Shot my .375 Ruger at a heavy steel plate suspended with a chain at about 50 yards....the projectile went thru, but the bullet shed it's copper jacket, which came straight back and hit my shooting partner in the leg....no penetration, but a helluva wake-up call........
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good example of a very poorly designed target
 
unfotunatley for us, someone had to go and mention it, which is what started this over here. But now we have precedent, which should carry across the country.
kanada kidd said:
I think Albertans never knew they needed special permission to shoot SC, have been doing it for years.
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