DMR/precision gas gun matches in BC

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This is mostly to gauge/drum up interest in a format of shooting I've always enjoyed and wished would be more prevalent: DMR matches. This is aimed at anyone with a .223 carbine/gas gun with a magnified optic (a 1-6 being the realistic minimum you'd want to use) that can shoot about 2 moa and will have targets from 25 yds out to 625 yds.

The format for these kind of matches are always slightly different but what I'm proposing would run simultaneously with the "run 'n gun" type 2-gun matches I've run the past couple of years in Pemberton as a BCPRL match so I'll briefly explain how those matches (for bolt guns) are run and how the gas gun course of fire will differ. The bolt gun matches are run as one continuous stage with 6 "shooting locations" that will each have a mix of pistol and rifle targets to engage so you will be transitioning back and forth from pistol to rifle often. The shooting locations are normally a delineated area on the ground marked with paint or a structure, there are no set props you must shoot off although there are props you can use. The pistol targets are unlimited ammo and the majority of rifle targets are 1 shot per target (although some of the longer shots might have 2 per target). The pistol shooting does not require IPSC level skills and is more of a stressor. The available points for pistol are normally approximately 1/2 what is available for rifle. The round count for rifle is <60rds and unlimited for pistol. There is a time bonus of 10 pts for the fastest time then everyone else gets a time bonus based on their time/fastest time x10. The target locations and ranges are sent out ahead of time and shooters have plenty of time to walk around and glass the targets as you get a set start time, you can even watch the shooters who are before you (who are normally the more experienced shooters). It's a really fun format that really emphasizes problem solving and gear management and challenges experienced shooters as well as new shooters who are always well supported by the experienced guys. We once had a brand new shooter shoot this with one of my rifles and I followed him around to point out targets and coach him. We strive to make it fun as well as a learning experience and lend out everything necessary from rifles to pistols to bags, tripods, you name it.

The COF for the gas gun division will differ in that there will be some closer range rifle targets added in the 50-300yds range (the rifle targets for bolt gun are all generally past 300 yds), some of the smaller rifle targets will be eliminated (all targets will be 2 moa+), the rifle round count will be unlimited and the scoring will be time+. For those not familiar with time+ scoring (also known as Comstock) what it means is that the overall fastest time wins but there are time penalties for not "neutralizing" (ie impacting) a target. It's up in the air whether it will be run as one continuous stage like the bolt gun match or broken up into 3 different stages (each with 2 shooting locations) mostly because the full course of fire will most likely require 100rds + and that's a lot of (dumb neutered) mags to carry around.

We usually have a good prize table thanks to the generous support of sponsors and all prizes are a random draw so nothing is on the line except bragging rights.

Any thoughts, insight or interest much appreciated!
 
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This is mostly to gauge/drum up interest in a format of shooting I've always enjoyed and wished would be more prevalent: DMR matches. This is aimed at anyone with a .223 carbine/gas gun with a magnified optic (a 1-6 being the realistic minimum you'd want to use) that can shoot about 2 moa and will have targets from 25 yds out to 625 yds.

The format for these kind of matches are always slightly different but what I'm proposing would run simultaneously with the "run 'n gun" type 2-gun matches I've run the past couple of years in Pemberton as a BCPRL match so I'll briefly explain how those matches (for bolt guns) are run and how the gas gun course of fire will differ. The bolt gun matches are run as one continuous stage with 6 "shooting locations" that will each have a mix of pistol and rifle targets to engage so you will be transitioning back and forth from pistol to rifle often. The shooting locations are normally a delineated area on the ground marked with paint or a structure, there are no set props you must shoot off although there are props you can use. The pistol targets are unlimited ammo and the majority of rifle targets are 1 shot per target (although some of the longer shots might have 2 per target). The pistol shooting does not require IPSC level skills and is more of a stressor. The available points for pistol are normally approximately 1/2 what is available for rifle. The round count for rifle is <60rds and unlimited for pistol. There is a time bonus of 10 pts for the fastest time then everyone else gets a time bonus based on their time/fastest time x10. The target locations and ranges are sent out ahead of time and shooters have plenty of time to walk around and glass the targets as you get a set start time, you can even watch the shooters who are before you (who are normally the more experienced shooters). It's a really fun format that really emphasizes problem solving and gear management and challenges experienced shooters as well as new shooters who are always well supported by the experienced guys. We once had a brand new shooter shoot this with one of my rifles and I followed him around to point out targets and coach him. We strive to make it fun as well as a learning experience and lend out everything necessary from rifles to pistols to bags, tripods, you name it.

The COF for the gas gun division will differ in that there will be some closer range rifle targets added in the 50-300yds range (the rifle targets for bolt gun are all generally past 300 yds), some of the smaller rifle targets will be eliminated (all targets will be 2 moa+), the rifle round count will be unlimited and the scoring will be time+. For those not familiar with time+ scoring (also known as Comstock) what it means is that the overall fastest time wins but there are time penalties for not "neutralizing" (ie impacting) a target. It's up in the air whether it will be run as one continuous stage like the bolt gun match or broken up into 3 different stages (each with 2 shooting locations) mostly because the full course of fire will most likely require 100rds + and that's a lot of (dumb neutered) mags to carry around.

We usually have a good prize table thanks to the generous support of sponsors and all prizes are a random draw so nothing is on the line except bragging rights.

Any thoughts, insight or interest much appreciated!
Definitely sounds interesting
 
This is mostly to gauge/drum up interest in a format of shooting I've always enjoyed and wished would be more prevalent: DMR matches. This is aimed at anyone with a .223 carbine/gas gun with a magnified optic (a 1-6 being the realistic minimum you'd want to use) that can shoot about 2 moa and will have targets from 25 yds out to 625 yds.

The format for these kind of matches are always slightly different but what I'm proposing would run simultaneously with the "run 'n gun" type 2-gun matches I've run the past couple of years in Pemberton as a BCPRL match so I'll briefly explain how those matches (for bolt guns) are run and how the gas gun course of fire will differ. The bolt gun matches are run as one continuous stage with 6 "shooting locations" that will each have a mix of pistol and rifle targets to engage so you will be transitioning back and forth from pistol to rifle often. The shooting locations are normally a delineated area on the ground marked with paint or a structure, there are no set props you must shoot off although there are props you can use. The pistol targets are unlimited ammo and the majority of rifle targets are 1 shot per target (although some of the longer shots might have 2 per target). The pistol shooting does not require IPSC level skills and is more of a stressor. The available points for pistol are normally approximately 1/2 what is available for rifle. The round count for rifle is <60rds and unlimited for pistol. There is a time bonus of 10 pts for the fastest time then everyone else gets a time bonus based on their time/fastest time x10. The target locations and ranges are sent out ahead of time and shooters have plenty of time to walk around and glass the targets as you get a set start time, you can even watch the shooters who are before you (who are normally the more experienced shooters). It's a really fun format that really emphasizes problem solving and gear management and challenges experienced shooters as well as new shooters who are always well supported by the experienced guys. We once had a brand new shooter shoot this with one of my rifles and I followed him around to point out targets and coach him. We strive to make it fun as well as a learning experience and lend out everything necessary from rifles to pistols to bags, tripods, you name it.

The COF for the gas gun division will differ in that there will be some closer range rifle targets added in the 50-300yds range (the rifle targets for bolt gun are all generally past 300 yds), some of the smaller rifle targets will be eliminated (all targets will be 2 moa+), the rifle round count will be unlimited and the scoring will be time+. For those not familiar with time+ scoring (also known as Comstock) what it means is that the overall fastest time wins but there are time penalties for not "neutralizing" (ie impacting) a target. It's up in the air whether it will be run as one continuous stage like the bolt gun match or broken up into 3 different stages (each with 2 shooting locations) mostly because the full course of fire will most likely require 100rds + and that's a lot of (dumb neutered) mags to carry around.

We usually have a good prize table thanks to the generous support of sponsors and all prizes are a random draw so nothing is on the line except bragging rights.

Any thoughts, insight or interest much appreciated!
Interesting idea.

With the exception of F Class and a couple of other local matches I havent dabbled much in Precision stuff.

I love semis so if any potential matches fit with my work schedule I would try to make it work.

Hopefully in the not too distant future we will have a change in government and that will open up more / better options for this type of game again. Of course there are options now but some of the best options are gathering dust thanks to King Turdholes vote buying ideology.
 
Interesting idea.

With the exception of F Class and a couple of other local matches I havent dabbled much in Precision stuff.

I love semis so if any potential matches fit with my work schedule I would try to make it work.

Hopefully in the not too distant future we will have a change in government and that will open up more / better options for this type of game again. Of course there are options now but some of the best options are gathering dust thanks to King Turdholes vote buying ideology.
Yeah, I was planning on running this match years ago and then the OIC dropped. Obviously ARs are the easy button for a match like this but in the past 4 years we've got access to a bunch of other rifles that are suitable. If anything the increase in NR .223 is what has increased my interest in scoped carbines given the longer barrels. If it turns out that they run reliably (and it seems they do) a build on a Crypto should have no disadvantages for this kind of match relative to an AR. So hopefully once the current sack of #### and his band of merry liars get the boot, we get ARs back again but in the mean time, I think it would be great to get matches like this up and running and have Canadian shooters develop more comprehensive skills with their carbines (vs the usual 0-200m use) in a dynamic environment.
 
Yeah, I was planning on running this match years ago and then the OIC dropped. Obviously ARs are the easy button for a match like this but in the past 4 years we've got access to a bunch of other rifles that are suitable. If anything the increase in NR .223 is what has increased my interest in scoped carbines given the longer barrels. If it turns out that they run reliably (and it seems they do) a build on a Crypto should have no disadvantages for this kind of match relative to an AR. So hopefully once the current sack of #### and his band of merry liars get the boot, we get ARs back again but in the mean time, I think it would be great to get matches like this up and running and have Canadian shooters develop more comprehensive skills with their carbines (vs the usual 0-200m use) in a dynamic environment.

Indeed, I cannot confirm if I have the perfect rifle collecting dust;):D

Luckily I have other suitable rifles. How far are you thinking for targets and what size? Do you think an X95 would be accurate enough?
 
Rifle targets will be 25-625yds (possibly 75-625, trying to decide if scoring close range paper targets is feasible with match flow). Lotsa 12" targets, in fact almost exclusively. Smallest targets will be 2 moa but most will be 3 moa+.
I've shot (and hit, haha) all the targets with an X95 (as have all the guys who've been through my scoped carbine classes) but the targets past 450 can be a bit of a struggle. Minimum optic I'd want to run would be a 1-6 (and know your holds well). Other than that you could run anything as long as you have a usable reticle or can dial for elevation. Ideal optic would be a 1-8 or 1-10 for an LPVO or a 2-10/2-12/3-15 or something similar with or without an offset red dot (shooting at 2x is still pretty damn fast). In a pinch you could shot with a red dot and a 6x magnifier but from experience, the elevation holds past 400 aren't ideal and the wind holds would be a real struggle if it's at all blowing.
 
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