do hi-viz sights aid in shooting or create distraction
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Interested to see the replies on this one. I was out shopping for a new shotgun today and found that I liked the glowing beads in the shop. I can see where there might be a split second conflict with the bird. Think I'll hold off and see what the replies are on this before I go any further in buying a new one!
Interested to see the replies on this one. I was out shopping for a new shotgun today and found that I liked the glowing beads in the shop. I can see where there might be a split second conflict with the bird. Think I'll hold off and see what the replies are on this before I go any further in buying a new one!
Interested to see the replies on this one. I was out shopping for a new shotgun today and found that I liked the glowing beads in the shop. I can see where there might be a split second conflict with the bird. Think I'll hold off and see what the replies are on this before I go any further in buying a new one!
Interested to see the replies on this one. I was out shopping for a new shotgun today and found that I liked the glowing beads in the shop. I can see where there might be a split second conflict with the bird. Think I'll hold off and see what the replies are on this before I go any further in buying a new one!
An older fella at my trap club that is a pretty good shooter and well experienced (PITA-A class...not bad :wink: ) helps me out now and again. He is always giving me #### for my Hiz-Vis sight on my Browning. It is actually quite funny.
"Take that dam thing off......don't look at the sight it is not a rifle, hold, find the target and point the gun....."
I hear this all the time. So really the reality is that I look at the green dot when I am holding my gun before I call the bird, after that I don't see the green sight at all because I am looking at the target. That said I guess they are unnessesary but I have one on my gun. I sometimes switch it to orange just to bug this guy that gives me ####. He is a really good guy and has helped me a ton.
Jacky
"Take that dam thing off......don't look at the sight it is not a rifle, hold, find the target and point the gun....."
I hear this all the time. So really the reality is that I look at the green dot when I am holding my gun before I call the bird, after that I don't see the green sight at all because I am looking at the target. That said I guess they are unnessesary but I have one on my gun. I sometimes switch it to orange just to bug this guy that gives me ####. He is a really good guy and has helped me a ton.
Jacky
Jacky:
Have you tried shooting your gun without any tube installed? Even if you are seeing the bird clearly if the predominant feature in your field of vision isn't the target then you may not be seeing the target as clearly as you could.
Have you tried shooting your gun without any tube installed? Even if you are seeing the bird clearly if the predominant feature in your field of vision isn't the target then you may not be seeing the target as clearly as you could.
Interesting you say that and yes I have on quite a few occasions. This is exactly what the fella at my club told me so I tried it and now besides the initial look at the sight when I am positioning my gun I really don't see the sight at all. Shooting without the sight definatly helped my scores and got my focusing on the target.
The question is why are these sights popular ?? I have had them on both of my guns ??
Jacky
both my semi and my O/U has them i actually like them as the bright ness helps me align the barrel /w the target quicker i find as the white dot seems some times blend into the sky for me...
but i think these fibre optic sights like anything else works for some and not others, everyone has to see what works for them, and yeah most of the older more experienced guys HATE them.. hehehehe.....
note. that Tom Knapp uses them =)
but i think these fibre optic sights like anything else works for some and not others, everyone has to see what works for them, and yeah most of the older more experienced guys HATE them.. hehehehe.....
note. that Tom Knapp uses them =)
Jacky....I'd suspect those things are so popular simply because many people like "bells & whistles" on things. To some I suppose they "look cool". I personally don't see them serving any real useful purpose and would agree with Claybuster and your friend who keeps telling you to get rid of it.
You would be amazed at how many people do things while shooting and don't even realize they are doing it. With respect to the Hi-Viz type sites, I can believe that often times peoples' eyes are flitting back and forth between the target and the site trying to measure leads and confirm that things look "just right" before pulling the trigger. Not a good thing I don't think. Anything that can distract you and take your total focus off the target in my ever so humble opinion should be removed from the equation.
You would be amazed at how many people do things while shooting and don't even realize they are doing it. With respect to the Hi-Viz type sites, I can believe that often times peoples' eyes are flitting back and forth between the target and the site trying to measure leads and confirm that things look "just right" before pulling the trigger. Not a good thing I don't think. Anything that can distract you and take your total focus off the target in my ever so humble opinion should be removed from the equation.
regardless of fibre optic site or bead front site, would you not still have to guage the sight vs. the target for lead before you pull the trigger???
maybe a smaller diameter fibre optic site is better than a large diameter fibre optic site?
i'm still a newbie at this trap/skeet thing =P
thanks
maybe a smaller diameter fibre optic site is better than a large diameter fibre optic site?
i'm still a newbie at this trap/skeet thing =P
thanks
I'll go along with the camp that has gone away from the hi-viz sights.
I had them on my 525, tried all the different colors, and now none of my shotguns have them - except the Fabarm with ghost rings.
In fact, Woodchopper used his 14" shorty at Haggisfest on the trap range, and after his bead sight flew off into the wild blue, his scores improved! That must mean something?
I had them on my 525, tried all the different colors, and now none of my shotguns have them - except the Fabarm with ghost rings.
In fact, Woodchopper used his 14" shorty at Haggisfest on the trap range, and after his bead sight flew off into the wild blue, his scores improved! That must mean something?
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I had an interesting little debate on this very matter with someone some time back. I was curious as to what other shooters actually saw when they were shooting......what their "sight picture" was. Our debate was on "seeing the lead".
I find in trying to help new..or lesser experiences shooters understand leads, it can be difficult to explain to some...sometimes.
Some people say the lead on a target should be 3 feet...some say 4 feet...some say 2 feet....all for the same target. :roll:
What looks like 3 feet to one person may very well look like 5 or 6 feet to another.
When shooting a skeet target...21 yards away....15 feet in the air...against a clear blue sky....travelling at approx 45 mph....what is the point of reference used when gauging leads in front of that target? It has to be the barrel.
But what I find easier to explain to new shooters though is that rather than trying to gauge a 3 foot distance in front of that target 21 yards away, try to judge the distance you actually see between the end of the barrel and the target....measured in inches. That picture is only 28" or at most say 30" away from your eye as opposed to the 3 foot distance in front of the target 21 yards away.
The trick now though when doing this is to remain totally forcussed on that target while at the same time still seeing your barrels with your periferal vision. And not allowing your eyes to flit back and forth from target to barrels to measure that distance. For me personally I find it easier to judge a 3" space between target and barrels (using my periferal vision) than trying to determine a 3 foot space ahead of the target out there against a clear blue sky. Yes what you may actually be doing is shooting 3 feet ahead of the target. A little math using trig could easily determine if that 3" space I see right in front of my face actually equates to a 3 foot lead out there in front of the target. I suspect it would be pretty close. Just to lazy to do the math.
I shot skeet for years without a center bead on my gun. And actually I couldn't care less if there was a front bead on it either. I simply don't use them and I use my barrels in my periferal vision to determine the correct sight picture before pulling the trigger. I did recently replace my center bead....but purely for aesthetics only. The only time I ever pay any attention to beads on a gun is to determine if it fits me properly or not. Once that's determined, I forget about them totally.
But once again, the trick is to train your eyes to stay locked on that target. If you can do this, then anything else you see....barrels....or bright shiny thing on top of the barrels, should only be visible to you periferally. I just feel that dull barrels are less of a distraction to the eye than a bright green shiny thing sitting on top of them. And your eyes are less likely to be pulled off that all important target.
Now having said all that, you said earlier...
And I agree with you 100% on that. If some can use these things successfully and like them....more power to them. I personally don't like them and don't recommend them is all.
Everyone sees "lead" differently because of variations in swing speed. If you shoot a swing through method you might not see any lead because it is already built into the swing.
As for gauging the distance between your bead and the target your brain does this automatically if the bead is in your peripheral vision. But if your eyes go back and forth between the target and the bead then your swing will become erratic and you will most likely miss. I've taken and done enough instruction to know that you can see the change in a shooter's swing when he or she is "bead checking."
To answer Jacky's question I think these sights are popular because shooters are gadget oriented and always looking for the latest and greatest thing to give them an extra target or two. This is why we have silly things like glow sticks, ported chokes and the Beretta Teknys.
No doubt some people can make them work. But if you shoot more than one shotgun or different games then I think it's best to stick to the tried and true method of hitting targets. Face on the stock, eye on the rock.
As for gauging the distance between your bead and the target your brain does this automatically if the bead is in your peripheral vision. But if your eyes go back and forth between the target and the bead then your swing will become erratic and you will most likely miss. I've taken and done enough instruction to know that you can see the change in a shooter's swing when he or she is "bead checking."
To answer Jacky's question I think these sights are popular because shooters are gadget oriented and always looking for the latest and greatest thing to give them an extra target or two. This is why we have silly things like glow sticks, ported chokes and the Beretta Teknys.
No doubt some people can make them work. But if you shoot more than one shotgun or different games then I think it's best to stick to the tried and true method of hitting targets. Face on the stock, eye on the rock.
