Do not use your remington versa max shotgun
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blasted_saber
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Oh Remington, how you've gone downhill.
Yep, sad to see.
Look, I'm all about weapon owners researching before they buy, and continuing to research if there are legitimate safety concerns about a given product.
But, I have yet to see convincing (scientifically founded, supported by engineering research that we can review) information indicating a problem with the Rem700 trigger design -- only a lot of hearsay and reports by people who seem to have a vested interest in a court case. I have, however, seen some pretty good studies indicating that the "problem" only seems to occur in weapons in extremely poor (even negligent) condition or which have had post-vendor work done on the trigger group.
Secondly -- do we really want to offer a disincentive to Remington and other manufacturers to issue recalls and warnings? I applaud Remington (and any other manufacturer) when they issue a timely warning and recall when they discover real safety issues.
I certainly don't ever want to contribute to anyone saying "do we really want to release this? It's a rare problem, and it will get blown out of proportion." I want them thinking "release this now -- our users have learned to trust us, and respect us when we come to them with a problem. They won't blow it up into a reason to put us out of business."
But, I have yet to see convincing (scientifically founded, supported by engineering research that we can review) information indicating a problem with the Rem700 trigger design -- only a lot of hearsay and reports by people who seem to have a vested interest in a court case. I have, however, seen some pretty good studies indicating that the "problem" only seems to occur in weapons in extremely poor (even negligent) condition or which have had post-vendor work done on the trigger group.
Secondly -- do we really want to offer a disincentive to Remington and other manufacturers to issue recalls and warnings? I applaud Remington (and any other manufacturer) when they issue a timely warning and recall when they discover real safety issues.
I certainly don't ever want to contribute to anyone saying "do we really want to release this? It's a rare problem, and it will get blown out of proportion." I want them thinking "release this now -- our users have learned to trust us, and respect us when we come to them with a problem. They won't blow it up into a reason to put us out of business."
Legendary is right and not in a positive way.
BrotherRockeye
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I'm guessing you didn't watch "Remington under fire" or hear the guy that designed the trigger group explain the flaw.
You probably missed the part where they showed the designers solution to the problem that at the time(40+ yrs ago iirc) would have cost 5c per rifle...that was rejected because of cost.
All supported with documentation...
Brother R, +++
If the documentation offered on that documentary was not enough to convince, then even actually having it happen to those who will not believe what they see is not going to do it.
After seeing that program I was flabbergasted. I know of this happening on two separate occasions to guys I dealt with over the years in the retail gun business but at the time I trusted Rem enough to chalk it up to a operator error.
Whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
If the documentation offered on that documentary was not enough to convince, then even actually having it happen to those who will not believe what they see is not going to do it.
After seeing that program I was flabbergasted. I know of this happening on two separate occasions to guys I dealt with over the years in the retail gun business but at the time I trusted Rem enough to chalk it up to a operator error.
Whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
Safety Warning And Recall Notice
Product Recall Notice
Warning
DO NOT USE YOUR REMINGTON VERSA MAX SHOTGUN
Remington has found that a limited number of its Versa Max shotguns may have hammers out of specification. This condition may result in inconsistent firearm performance. Inconsistent firearm performance may result in property damage, serious personal injury or death.
If you have a Remington Versa Max shotgun immediately discontinue use of the shotgun and contact Remington at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #4. Remington will arrange for the return shipment of your Versa Max shotgun and upon receipt will immediately inspect and retrofit your Versa Max shotgun and return it to you at no cost to you. All Versa Max shotguns that have the hammer enhancement will contain a “V” stamped that can be seen by looking in the ejection port or through the carrier.
No other firearms are affected.
SAFETY IS FIRST
Remington wants to ensure that you enjoy years of safe and dependable service from your Remington Versa Max shotgun. For any consumer questions or instructions on how to return of your Remington Versa Max shotgun please contact the Remington Consumer Service Department at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #4.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
Product Recall Notice
Warning
DO NOT USE YOUR REMINGTON VERSA MAX SHOTGUN
Remington has found that a limited number of its Versa Max shotguns may have hammers out of specification. This condition may result in inconsistent firearm performance. Inconsistent firearm performance may result in property damage, serious personal injury or death.
If you have a Remington Versa Max shotgun immediately discontinue use of the shotgun and contact Remington at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #4. Remington will arrange for the return shipment of your Versa Max shotgun and upon receipt will immediately inspect and retrofit your Versa Max shotgun and return it to you at no cost to you. All Versa Max shotguns that have the hammer enhancement will contain a “V” stamped that can be seen by looking in the ejection port or through the carrier.
No other firearms are affected.
SAFETY IS FIRST
Remington wants to ensure that you enjoy years of safe and dependable service from your Remington Versa Max shotgun. For any consumer questions or instructions on how to return of your Remington Versa Max shotgun please contact the Remington Consumer Service Department at 1-800-243-9700, Prompt #4.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
Don't believe everything you see on left-wing TV. 90% of the piece was complete BS and half-truths. Remington has produced a response that you can find on YouTube. This was an outright hatchet job on Remington. I can see CNBC being sued and forced to air a retraction.
You can also find the video here: http://www.remington700.tv/#/home
I saw the original program and also the rebuttal by Remington and have one question??
Why did the man that designed the trigger group say he knew early on it had a problem and suggested a fix that would cost only 5 cents. He didn't appear to me to have a axe to grind and merely spoke what he thought was the truth. He even mentioned he knew Remington were not going to be happy about his comments. Seemed like a very nice person.
The rebuttal made the original program look very bad and good on Remington to do that. However back to the question??
Why did the man that designed the trigger group say he knew early on it had a problem and suggested a fix that would cost only 5 cents. He didn't appear to me to have a axe to grind and merely spoke what he thought was the truth. He even mentioned he knew Remington were not going to be happy about his comments. Seemed like a very nice person.
The rebuttal made the original program look very bad and good on Remington to do that. However back to the question??
Mr. Walker is a nice person. He was with Remington for many years and quite an impressive man.
Way back then he suggested what he thought may be an improvement to the trigger... Remington choose not to implement that suggestion.
His comments are out of context as the video producers edited them to imply what you heard.
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See the written response to CNBC at http://www.remington700.tv/#/home -- it addresses it very well. And, to be fair, it appears that what Walker actually said was subject to some pretty heavy selective editing of a long conversation with an old man ambushed in his retirement home. In other words, there's significant doubt about any relationship between what CNBC showed and what Walker actually thinks.
