More like wanting to sit inside a car with no gas in it and without the key to it.
Do you need a PAL to handle firearms in a gun store?
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More like wanting to sit inside a car with no gas in it and without the key to it.
Not true.
-you and I walk in to the gun store, me without pal, you with;
Under your direct supervision, I may handle a firearm, within the letter of the law.
Their sandbox their rules....
Trying to rationalize store policy will keep you tossing and turning all night.
Rob
It's not condition not matter how you look at it guns are dangerous in the wrong hands. We currently live in a society of the stupid who need warnings that there coffee is hot. Still you don't need a licence to have children but I for one would rather anyone handling a gun to have training to use it. That to me and the checks that gun holders are not mental is fine by me. I agree they are inanimate objects so are swords ...
Yes swords can be dangerous too had a patient a few weeks ago... this 7ft guy chased a random dude down the street with a samurai sword while high one God knows what. Police stopped and popped him with 3 rounds (he didn't die) man ran 4kms before collapsing. Imagine that wacko had as gun, system worked.
Yes swords can be dangerous too had a patient a few weeks ago... this 7ft guy chased a random dude down the street with a samurai sword while high one God knows what. Police stopped and popped him with 3 rounds (he didn't die) man ran 4kms before collapsing. Imagine that wacko had as gun, system worked.
Forgive my nit picking, but conditioning is a b*tch.
A firearm is not deadly, it's inanimate, a block of steel and or plastic.
A person, on the other hand...
Carry on
Social engineering is working perfect so far eh ?? "deadly firearms" ??? Next question is ; Why would anyone need a deadly firearm ?? The wonderful "government pal system" will stop all the evil people with guns ,right ??
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Funny thing, how many times have you been asked for a DL when shopping for a vehicle? Me? Not once, only after test driving and deciding to do the paperwork did the subject come up. Of course you don't need a DL to buy a vehicle if you were only going to use it on your own property.
I do not disagree with this policy, here is why:
There are lookey-loos you there that are not licensed and have no intention of buying... why waste time on them? especially when your store is busy. (extreme example to follow)
if someone is thinking about getting their PAL, it is pretty easy to have a conversation with the store clerk to explain why they want to hold it. That is usually enough to bend the policy.
now for the example... I was at my LGS (which I frequent) and witnessed one of such action film experts swing the cylinder of a .500 S&W and spin it, then flip it closed... a very easy way to damage an expensive gun. why should the owner risk inexperienced unlicenced persons potentially damage property? there is no "you break it, you bought it" policy on guns. And should the damage go unnoticed why should another buyer end up with a damaged gun and warranty repair... or if consignment no warranty and SOL.
There are lookey-loos you there that are not licensed and have no intention of buying... why waste time on them? especially when your store is busy. (extreme example to follow)
if someone is thinking about getting their PAL, it is pretty easy to have a conversation with the store clerk to explain why they want to hold it. That is usually enough to bend the policy.
now for the example... I was at my LGS (which I frequent) and witnessed one of such action film experts swing the cylinder of a .500 S&W and spin it, then flip it closed... a very easy way to damage an expensive gun. why should the owner risk inexperienced unlicenced persons potentially damage property? there is no "you break it, you bought it" policy on guns. And should the damage go unnoticed why should another buyer end up with a damaged gun and warranty repair... or if consignment no warranty and SOL.
That's weak reasoning. I've seen more pal holder do dumb stuff in the gun store, than "guests".
We need our sport to be inviting. It isn't.
My local gun store didn't let me handle firearm when I told them I don't have my PAL yet. But, short of me actually touching the firearm, they thoroughly demoed the rifle and showed me all the features.
You got that right. I have more negative experience with firearm businesses than positive. I almost become anti-gun as a result.
1.) (Negative) October 2015: First time went to DVC, they refused my business because I am a single shooter. The Manager made some sly remarks about me as I walk out the door.
2.) (Positive) October 2015: Signed up for trap shooting lesson the next week, hit 75% of the time and have fun.
3.) (Negative) November 2015: Bought Groupon for a local range who advertised they are about to open. I was told they have the same no single shooter policy as well. A year later, they still hasn't officially opened and only have soft open by appointment.
4.) (Positive) May 2016: Contacted Semiahmoo Fish & Game Club to inquire about their .22 Rifle night on Tuesday. They never responded to my email.
(Update: Later in the year, I finally went to Semiahmoo had a great time shooting at one of their range nights. The range officers there are really nice.)
5.) (Positive) July 2016: Sighed up for Hands On Introduction to Firearms offered by Rod at Civil Advantage. I had the time of my life shooting his firearms and learned a lot from him. More importantly, I was hooked and he saved me from joining the anti-gun bandwagon.
6.) (Positive) August 2016: Emailed a Manitoba based gun store asking them how many XCR-L they still have in stock.
You got that right. I have more negative experience with firearm businesses than positive. I almost become anti-gun as a result.
1.) (Negative) October 2015: First time went to DVC, they refused my business because I am a single shooter. The Manager made some sly remarks about me as I walk out the door.
2.) (Positive) October 2015: Signed up for trap shooting lesson the next week, hit 75% of the time and have fun.
3.) (Negative) November 2015: Bought Groupon for a local range who advertised they are about to open. I was told they have the same no single shooter policy as well. A year later, they still hasn't officially opened and only have soft open by appointment.
4.) (Positive) May 2016: Contacted Semiahmoo Fish & Game Club to inquire about their .22 Rifle night on Tuesday. They never responded to my email.
(Update: Later in the year, I finally went to Semiahmoo had a great time shooting at one of their range nights. The range officers there are really nice.)
5.) (Positive) July 2016: Sighed up for Hands On Introduction to Firearms offered by Rod at Civil Advantage. I had the time of my life shooting his firearms and learned a lot from him. More importantly, I was hooked and he saved me from joining the anti-gun bandwagon.
6.) (Positive) August 2016: Emailed a Manitoba based gun store asking them how many XCR-L they still have in stock.
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But we non-PAL holders are not testing the gun (ie firing it), we are merely holding the gun, see if we like the feel of the gun, and see if we can carry it and not get tired.
Since you are using car as an analogy, the policy of not allowing non-Pal holder handle guns would be like a person without a license (ex: someone studying for their written test) going to a car showroom and the sales person is like, "sorry sir/ ma'am, since you don't have a licence, I will not allow you to go into the car or touch the car. However, if you will stand two feet back, I will show you all the features of this vehicle and describe how it feels to sit in the vehicle."
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Based on the posts here, Cabela's seems to be pretty inconsistent. While my PAL application was being processed I wanted to do some tire-kicking to figure out what I wanted. I was looking to pick up a bolt action rifle and a pump action shotgun but I wasn't sure exactly what manufacturer/model I wanted. The guys at Cabela's in Calgary didn't have any issue with letting me handle firearms or work the action to see what I liked, even after I explicitly told them I didn't have my PAL. Same experience at the Shooting Edge (although I was doing my PAL course there at the time so they knew I wasn't some random yahoo off the street).
