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...chance that the US Military would go back to a round equal to or surpass the 30:06 for standard issue to all US combat troops. I know that it would be a heavy load. However, your fathers or grandfathers carried the load in WW2 to just about every Nation. You would carry a heavy load again but what a punch your rifle would have.
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i agree no chance- we're too far down the 223 road ,and there's always somebody trying to reinvent the wheel- however ,that said,the 308 is a more likely candidate, close to the 06, given the limitations that most folks impose on the garand type actions( 170 grain slugs or less)- now if we were to re-design the rifle to eat 180's like 150's with modern steels or composites, that's a whole other ball game-
 
Heavy Military Rounds

The US won't go back to the 06 but in the book Black Rifle II, there is information about the US experimenting with a new 6.8mm round as a replacement for the 5.56mm round. They were sticking with the M16 lower and replacing the upper with a 6.8mm barrel and receiver. I think H&K is one of the arms manufacturers that were working on the upgrade.
 
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i suspect that the next rifle round to be mass adopted by the US or Canada would have to be enough of a leap forward to justify the BILLIONS it would cost to convert.

Something caseless like the HK G11, but in a more capable caliber would get my vote. Or possibly rail gun technology... IF they ever perfect it.
 
albayo said:
The US won't go back to the 06 but in my book Black Rifle II, there is information about the US experimenting with a new 6.8mm round as a replacement for the 5.56mm round. They were sticking with the M16 lower and replacing the upper with a 6.8mm barrel and receiver. I think H&K is one of the arms manufacturers that were working on the upgrade.
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You're Chris Bartocci? I never would have guessed...
 
Claven2 said:
i suspect that the next rifle round to be mass adopted by the US or Canada would have to be enough of a leap forward to justify the BILLIONS it would cost to convert.

Something caseless like the HK G11, but in a more capable caliber would get my vote. Or possibly rail gun technology... IF they ever perfect it.
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Until we get room temperature superconductors and a form of battery with much higer engery density, better put your money on caseless.

We never should have left 7.62X55 except for special applications...eg. cqb/mout. the new 6.5/6.8 mm rounds are interesting....
 
t-star said:
i agree no chance- we're too far down the 223 road ,and there's always somebody trying to reinvent the wheel- however ,that said,the 308 is a more likely candidate, close to the 06, given the limitations that most folks impose on the garand type actions( 170 grain slugs or less)- now if we were to re-design the rifle to eat 180's like 150's with modern steels or composites, that's a whole other ball game-
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Hey,

You could call it the M14.:D
 
Well with the focus going more to CQB, there is a percieved need for heavier and somewhat slower / shorter range carbines.

Perhaps they should look at reissuing the Thompson :)

I don't think you will ever see the 30-06 return, perhaps for marksman (like the M14) but for general issue its too powerfull.

The 5.56 is also a fairly fast round, small, but fast. Perhaps 30 carbine might be a good chambering for CQB.


But I really want a plasma cannon or a rail gun :) perhaps an over under combination fo the two :D
 
I'd bet the next thing will be caseless rounds and electronic ignition. You could carry a lot more ammo around if you didn't have to worry about brass. Rate of fire could also be insane - you don't have to worry about extracting anything.

Take a look at the HK G11
 
The HK G11 is dead for a reason.

I think the next round if we ever change will be the 6.5/6.8 . It has the best of both worlds(5.56 & 7.62). It packs more punch(7.62), and it has a better BC therefor better trajectory, faster also (5.56).

But really, this is just reinventing the wheel. The swedes had it right with the 6.5x55
 
TheCanuck said:
But really, this is just reinventing the wheel. The swedes had it right with the 6.5x55
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And the M96 is longer than an AKM so you can bayonet people before they bayonet you.
 
TheCanuck said:
The HK G11 is dead for a reason.
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It's not dead, it's just sleeping ;)

But I'm not specifically referring to the G11. The caseless concept hasn't gone away. Google 'caseless ammunition' to see what I mean.
 
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