does anyone use a 270 for long range stuff?
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Long Range Canuck
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If your shooting long range targets....I think I would choose something else personaly. the 270 will give you the range depending on rifle but I would probably go for something in a 6mm or 6mm x.284 for target or varmint hunting if you want to stay around a .270. All depends on what you plan to plink at. If you want hunting/target I would probably go .308. Just an opinion. 
Long Range Canuck
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Steve:
What is wrong with the 6-284 all the reading I have done on it say's it is an increadible cartridge for long range shooting/varmint hunting....I get my opinion from Varmint Hunters Magazine in the States..the majority of those guys breaking the 1000 mark and further, hitting gophers are using that calibre. Along with winning thier shooting competitions....I was thinking of making my next one a 6-284. but ya got me wondering now!! :shock: so any expert advice on this cartridge you have would be informative to me. :|
Mystic Precision
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I have been plinking with a 270 LR since last fall. It will most certainly get there but bullets are not in the same league as the 6, 6.5, and 7mm's. Ballistically better then the 308 though.
I have been shooting 150gr SST which serve dual hunting and plinking purpose. Very accurate but BC way lower then the other cals VLD designs.
At LR, it is not just accuracy that matters. Being able to get through the wind is much more important.
So if you want a hunting rifle first, then the 270 has its place. If you want to target and varmint first, maybe large game second, another cartridge will work much better.
As to the 6-284, can be wonderful for the few shots you have to play with. Very hard on throats. Better the 243, 6Rem. Then the AI versions of either. For most, wildcats based on the 22.250 or 6BR case are all that is needed for shooting out to 1000yds.
People do use the 6mm to hit PD at very long ranges. Do they list how many shots it took to get there? Many I converse with are using much large cannons to do the job. Reason, wind drift. Just look at the ballistics of the 6.5 and 7mm at 3000fps. The 6mm and small case 30's aren't even close.
One guy even went to a 338 monster (larger then the Lapua). Has been able to connect quite well out to 2500yds. $$$$$$$$$
LR shooting is about balancing recoil vs rifle weight vs rifle size vs bullet vs distance vs the wind.
Jerry
I have been shooting 150gr SST which serve dual hunting and plinking purpose. Very accurate but BC way lower then the other cals VLD designs.
At LR, it is not just accuracy that matters. Being able to get through the wind is much more important.
So if you want a hunting rifle first, then the 270 has its place. If you want to target and varmint first, maybe large game second, another cartridge will work much better.
As to the 6-284, can be wonderful for the few shots you have to play with. Very hard on throats. Better the 243, 6Rem. Then the AI versions of either. For most, wildcats based on the 22.250 or 6BR case are all that is needed for shooting out to 1000yds.
People do use the 6mm to hit PD at very long ranges. Do they list how many shots it took to get there? Many I converse with are using much large cannons to do the job. Reason, wind drift. Just look at the ballistics of the 6.5 and 7mm at 3000fps. The 6mm and small case 30's aren't even close.
One guy even went to a 338 monster (larger then the Lapua). Has been able to connect quite well out to 2500yds. $$$$$$$$$
LR shooting is about balancing recoil vs rifle weight vs rifle size vs bullet vs distance vs the wind.
Jerry
Out of curiosity,I ask the same two questions any time I hear of game being taken at such distances,that being,how did you measure the distance?How high did you hold above the point that the bullet struck on the animal?
stubblejumper said:
I use to hunt everything in this Province with a .270. One of my best shots was a Mullie Buck @ 850yrds. When I attempt a shot at those ranges, I do three things. First I check my topo map and do a quick measurement, this is to conferm my range estimation,( you don't shoot at moving animals at these ranges, or at least I don't) two things down. The third is that I pace off the distance after the shot has been made. ( I know that I take 119 paces to 100yrds on flat terrain, 127 over rolling hills, and 134 over rugged terrain). That was when I use to do it the hard way, now I just use my range finder, dial in my come up and put the meat in the freezer.
HPBT said:
I have heard of many such shots,but in almost every case the distance was "estimated" and not actually measured with a laser rangefinder or some other credible instrument.I personally measured off a supposed 700 yard shot after the fact with my rangefinder and the actual distance was just over 400 yards.I knew that there was a problem with his story when the shooter stated that he shot for the top of the moose's back.Based on the load and sight in the shooter was using,at 700 yards the bullet would have struck the ground in front of the moose with that aiming point.
I have also "paced off" distances myself,but with snow on the ground or uneven ground,the error can be very large.Even on rolling hills the error can be substancial.I now tend to take distances seriously only when instruments such as laser rangefinders are used.
winchester_070
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HMM !!!!
Damn i should have read this last year when i past on a nice Muley @ 560 lasered yards with a crosswind , i could have gone in the gun cabinet taken out my old 760 (2.50"groups) instead of my accurized 30-338 and grabbed my topo map instead of the range finder and i should have been able to poke an eye outa that muley seeing as the 165gr @ 560yrds (-42") is not drpping anywhere near the -175" a 130 gr 270 will drop at 850 yrds .
Had i only known............. :lol:
PS and by the way the 130gr will drop approx 25" between 800yrds and 850yrds which is well out of the kill zone on dear so make sure the map has no wrinkles in it.......
PSS i am not saying it is not possible , but i have guided for a few years and have had many/ many clients tell me about there consistant 600yrd + shots but have yet to see one do it with exception of one fella that was in the US military who poked a wolf @ well over 500yrds standing with no rest then hit a basketball size rock next to the dead wolf when i challenged him on being lucky . He was shooting a stoked up 30-378 ...
Damn i should have read this last year when i past on a nice Muley @ 560 lasered yards with a crosswind , i could have gone in the gun cabinet taken out my old 760 (2.50"groups) instead of my accurized 30-338 and grabbed my topo map instead of the range finder and i should have been able to poke an eye outa that muley seeing as the 165gr @ 560yrds (-42") is not drpping anywhere near the -175" a 130 gr 270 will drop at 850 yrds .
Had i only known............. :lol:
PS and by the way the 130gr will drop approx 25" between 800yrds and 850yrds which is well out of the kill zone on dear so make sure the map has no wrinkles in it.......
PSS i am not saying it is not possible , but i have guided for a few years and have had many/ many clients tell me about there consistant 600yrd + shots but have yet to see one do it with exception of one fella that was in the US military who poked a wolf @ well over 500yrds standing with no rest then hit a basketball size rock next to the dead wolf when i challenged him on being lucky . He was shooting a stoked up 30-378 ...
I notice that the gentlemen claiming 600 plus yard kills aren't saying what bullet weight they used. The .270 is usually used with a 140 grain bullet. Using a 200 yard zero, Remington factory ammo drops 46 to 48 inches at 500 yards and has just under 1,000 ft/lbs of energy left.
jiffydawg, the .270 is great for nearly everything in North America, but not at those distances. Doesn't have the punch.
jiffydawg, the .270 is great for nearly everything in North America, but not at those distances. Doesn't have the punch.
sunray said:
Ok, so this is what I shot from my .270 when I was using it.
Rifle was a Sako A-5 action, the barrel was 26" with a 1-10T, and Nosler 150gr. Ballistic Tip(B.C. .435) with a 200yrd zero. I used 46.5 gr. IMR 4064 and average MV was 2950fps.
At 800yrds. it still roughly maintained 1487.6fps with 736.9Ft/lbs. energy. The bullet drop is -19.8MOA and a 90degree 10Mph wind drift of -7.1MOA. time of flight is approx. 1.15sec.
This is a compressed load and will not fit into the case without using at least a 6" drop tub.(that's what I had to use and it will fill the case right to the top) This load has to be worked up to so as not to lock up the action or damage your rifle/self. I had a .270 in a Savage 110E and I could only get it to 2910 before my bolt started to stiffen and the case showed presure signs, with the Sako action it worked absolutly great. And if anyone thinks this is going to burn out your barrel fast, ask Schick on this forum, how well it still shoots, as he bought it from me. When he purchased the rifle, it had approx. 1200rds through it and it was still a -1/2 minute gun at 200yrds.
Yes I know that some of you are going to quote me the good old 1200ft/lbs energy required to knock a deer off it's feet, and all I can say to that is kill it with the first shot and it will fall down for you.
HPBT said:
You must have really thick brass cause 46grs. of 4064 dosen't even come close to the shoulder of the case. Just dipped a .270 federal case in some IMR-4064, didn't shake it or use a drop tube to settle it, weighed it, was about 62 grs to the top of the neck.
The brass I used was some very old 30.06 brass I had necked down. I got around 500 pieces from my father, whom my mother says got it from some where overseas. And yes it is very thick and was a real **?/*# to size. I can't remember any markings on the brass other than 30.06, but it has to be more than 35 years old, because thats how long ago he gave it to me. And I remember him using it in his 30.06 for as long as I can remember. It worked awesome, and I had loads of it, so I have never used anything else.
I just finnished working loads for a new Rem 700 in 7mmwsm with 24" hart barrel
light gun 6.7lbs worked nice load with H 4831sc over it I am using Lost River J36 140gr bullets 3200fps and it tacs under .250 only 3 shot groups sent this info back to Lost river and they gave me a balistic table for this load with there bullets.
O at 200yds at 2604lbs energy, at 500 yds 1901lbs energy and 30.18" low, at 800 yds 1357lbs energy and 112" low at 1000yds 1067lbs and 204"low there aint no 270 going to do this and its only a neck down stubby .308. the 3030 has shot a lot of game and this gun has about the same energy as it has at 800 yards as the 3030 does at 175yds
Like the deuce it died when the 6ppc "short stubbie" came along I can only see the same fait for the ageing .270 and it will fade away to the short mags.[/img]
light gun 6.7lbs worked nice load with H 4831sc over it I am using Lost River J36 140gr bullets 3200fps and it tacs under .250 only 3 shot groups sent this info back to Lost river and they gave me a balistic table for this load with there bullets.
O at 200yds at 2604lbs energy, at 500 yds 1901lbs energy and 30.18" low, at 800 yds 1357lbs energy and 112" low at 1000yds 1067lbs and 204"low there aint no 270 going to do this and its only a neck down stubby .308. the 3030 has shot a lot of game and this gun has about the same energy as it has at 800 yards as the 3030 does at 175yds
Like the deuce it died when the 6ppc "short stubbie" came along I can only see the same fait for the ageing .270 and it will fade away to the short mags.[/img]
stubblejumper said:
2 range finders gave us the distance just over 600 yards, within 5 yards of each. and for the aiming, about a foot or more over the shoulder. took the deer right across the bottom of the heart. we figure the shot dropped about 18-24 inches at that range based on were i figured i aimed.
i use my two 270,s a lot i even had a match grade barrel(stainles flutted) speed lock kit with a tub recoil lug and bell and carlson stk o yes is a rem 700 and its won it,s fair share of silloiette sniper matches. i use 130 and 135 gn bullets and it takes moose bear and deer with no walk aways lots of nusence bears fell in there tracks from this rifle
ontariodoubletapper
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With my 270 and homebrew 150 gr bullet loads I can keep a tight grouping (4") up to about 300 yards, after that all the usual variables that effect a shot seem to take over like wind etc...
Off topic, but I agree with stubblejumper about the "so called long shots" I've used a rangefinder on a couple buddies shots that were way out there. They tended to be half the stated distance or less.
Off topic, but I agree with stubblejumper about the "so called long shots" I've used a rangefinder on a couple buddies shots that were way out there. They tended to be half the stated distance or less.
