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Been thinking of getting a new over under for the small stuff. Is there such a thing as a small frame .410 over under available. I see a few 12g with .410 barrels but I'd like a small gun for long walks. I'm a total newbie to O/U and have no idea what is or was made. I suppose it doesn't have to be .410 but the smaller the better.

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you can get a .410\.22 over and under, stevens made them not sure who else
i have one, nice light gun
 
bakal, stoger, mossberg all make 410 o/u for app 600 +-$ ( Milarm in Edmonton has a 20 Moss. at $579 Bashaw sports has a 410 moss at $619 Hope this helps.( most 410s do not have choke tubes in lower price)
 
The next step up would be the CZ / Huglu Redhead. While you are at it, take a good look at a 28 gauge model instead of the .410. You retain the light weight, but get a much more useful load.

Sharptail
 
Aren't the Bakail, Stoeger and Mossberg all full size frames that are the exact same as their 12g guns? I'd like a smaller gun with nice wood and dark bluing on the receiver, for some reason I do not like the silver or case hardened receivers even a little bit. If I could get a Canvasback in Mini I would, love the look of it. I can say the only thing I would hunt with this gun is grouse.

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Caesar Guerini makes a scaled frame 28 gauge hunting U/O with an alloy action, pretty much as you describe. Nice wood. It weighs about 5 1/2 lbs. The action is black, but has gold birds. A very fast handling gun, excellent for ruffies.

Have you considered a SxS?

Sharptail
 
Aren't the Bakail, Stoeger and Mossberg all full size frames that are the exact same as their 12g guns? I'd like a smaller gun with nice wood and dark bluing on the receiver, for some reason I do not like the silver or case hardened receivers even a little bit. If I could get a Canvasback in Mini I would, love the look of it. I can say the only thing I would hunt with this gun is grouse.

Cheers

I know that Baikal .410 shot guns are built on a smaller frame than the 12Ga guns. 20/28/.410 Baikal shotguns are all built on the same frame. SKB and the old Winchester 101's were also built on 20Ga frames.
 
Caesar Guerini makes a scaled frame 28 gauge hunting U/O with an alloy action, pretty much as you describe. Nice wood. It weighs about 5 1/2 lbs. The action is black, but has gold birds. A very fast handling gun, excellent for ruffies.

Have you considered a SxS?

Sharptail

Besides people who are SERIOUS shotgunners, who the hell uses 28g? Honestly I'd like to know. Every gunshop in my city carries .410, none crarry 28.
 
Besides people who are SERIOUS shotgunners, who the hell uses 28g? Honestly I'd like to know. Every gunshop in my city carries .410, none crarry 28.

28 gauge is used by skeet shooters (skeet uses 12, 20 and 28 gauges, and .410) so the demand for shells is good enough to assure production. While the local Wal - Mart does not carry 28 gauge, 3 other Edmonton gun shops regularly do. I am pretty sure that the shells can be had almost anywhere in Canada with a little searching. These are clay target and upland game shells only, I have never seen non-toxic 28 gauge shells offered here.

.410 is a difficult gauge, it is hard to make a .410 pattern really well. The 28 gauge holds 3/4 oz. of shot and patterns very well. Like the 16 gauge, it is a "square load", meaning the diameter of the shot load is equal to the length. This leads to short shot strings and nice patterns. In real world terms, this means that the 28 gauge behaves much more like a "real" shotshell than a .410. That is, wingshooting is much better served with a 28 gauge than a .410.

While it is true that 28 gauge is seen as a little bit of an oddball, the fact remains that the gauge outperforms all expectations relative to its size. The fact that this bore size it has persisted in use for over 200 years attests to its usefulness. All the mainstream manufacturers have or do make 28 gauge guns, including American, English, European, Russian, Turkish and Brazilian makers.

The guns which shoot the 28 ga. are light and require discipline to shoot well, but no more so than the .410 (perhaps less). Be it a Remington pump or a Franchi auto, a CZ / Huglu SxS or a Guerini U/O they are all light to carry and quick to shoulder.

I admit to being prejudiced and biased toward the 28 gauge, but this does come from 40 odd years of hunting ruffed grouse with all manner of guns and gauges. If you want a treat, try the 28 gauge.

Sharptail
 
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