Does removing barreled action from stock and putting it back change POI?

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I was out bear hunting the last couple days and got my rifle soaking wet. It is blued steel in a synthetic stock.

I dried the barrel off by sliding a paper towel along it in the barrel channel but I'd like to remove the action and dry and oil it.

Will that affect accuracy?

My local range does not accept non-members any more.
 
I don't think that Internet land can tell you. You have to do it and tell us - definitely want to remove and clean / dry out / oil. Had read that old timers might wax metal parts below stock line to shed water. But re-assembling - almost all rifle I have messed with seem to need a "settling in" shot or two - action needs to find it's "return to battery" position, despite how careful with torque settings on action screws. Absolutely need to check sighting in before going hunting...
 
Do what you have to do... and tighten the screws good and test it before going hunting again... it would surprise me if it required re-sighting...
 
About 43 years ago, Bob Forslund was showing me how a properly bedded rifle should behave. As I recall, this rifle was a 6x47, built on his own action. Anyway, He fired two shots which were touching. He removed the barreled action from the stock and replaced it. He fired another shot, which touched the first two. He took it apart again, reassembled and fired the last two shots. The group ended up just under .3
Bob's rifle was bedded stress free and he was skilled as a 'smith and a shooter. I expect my rifles to be able to be disassembled and reassembled without a significant POI change.
 
No issues with my R700 both in a Manners pillar bedded stock and a MDT HS3 chassis. I use a 65in/lbs fixit torque limiter and I can actually swap from the chassis to the stock and back without having to change zero.
 
Removing the action from the stock, drying it out and cleaning it shouldn't give you any grief, as long as you do as guntech suggested and torque everything down to where it was previously.

You will do much better by just drying and cleaning the receiver bedding and NOT APPLYING OIL. It's been my experience that oil in the bedding is a recipe for grief and a likely cause of unexplained flyers.

Also as guntech pointed out, YOU SHOULD CHECK your point of impact after any complete disassembly. It's next to impossible to get everything back together again perfectly

Maybe it's time you joined a range????

If you can't afford it, or find a range with open membership positions, take the rifle to a safe area and sight in from the prone position, using soft rest under the fore end.

I know this can be a challenge in some areas.
 
If the rifle is bedded properly there shouldn't be a problem. Whenever I fly somewhere to a match I loosen the bedding screws before putting it in the case. Tighten it once I get there without any zero change. Friend of mine has a short takedown case that he uses when traveling and disassembles his rifle every day. He puts it back together each morning and goes out shooting without and zero change. Proper bedding is the key. If you rifle isn't bedded you may need to check your zero.
 
I recommend joining a club, bring an adjustable torque driver and 100+ rounds per rifle.
Check zero and once grouping well, tighten the front action screw a few clicks, check zero. Repeat by loosening and retightening to a lower torque. Repeat with the rear action screw.

I have found, free floated barrel, bedded stock, that each of my rifles has a "sweet spot" for the torque on the action screws. I write these down and after subsequent removals, retighten to the same torque and the zero holds.

The smaller the calibre, the more effect the screw torques have on accuracy.
Bedding the stock reduces but does not eliminate variances.
My experience is limited to the rifles I own.
 
So MD, this thought is on yer mind.
Take it to the range, check yer zero.
Then pull it apart and put it back together.
Check yer zero again.
This be the only way to cure yer mind.
So consider it ahhhh Must Do thing.
 
If the rifle is bedded properly there shouldn't be a problem. Whenever I fly somewhere to a match I loosen the bedding screws before putting it in the case. Tighten it once I get there without any zero change. Friend of mine has a short takedown case that he uses when traveling and disassembles his rifle every day. He puts it back together each morning and goes out shooting without and zero change. Proper bedding is the key. If you rifle isn't bedded you may need to check your zero.


I don't think the OP is talking about a glass, pillar, or aluminum block bedded rifle.

I seriously doubt that he has a torque wrench or the experience to set it up by feel.

I don't doubt what you're saying at all, because I did the same thing back in my match shooting days and still do it if I'm going on a long distance hunting trip. However, the rifles are not off the shelf bedded.
 
About 43 years ago, Bob Forslund was showing me how a properly bedded rifle should behave. As I recall, this rifle was a 6x47, built on his own action. Anyway, He fired two shots which were touching. He removed the barreled action from the stock and replaced it. He fired another shot, which touched the first two. He took it apart again, reassembled and fired the last two shots. The group ended up just under .3
Bob's rifle was bedded stress free and he was skilled as a 'smith and a shooter. I expect my rifles to be able to be disassembled and reassembled without a significant POI change.

Bob and his twin brother Al were both good friends of mine. We did a lot of hunting/shooting/building match rifles together.

To show how serious they were about the different shooting venues, they both took a year off work to attend the PVI trade school and took the machinist course offered there. Then they set up a shop, with three phase power, so that they could run industrial size lathes, milling machines, broaching machines, belt sanders, grinders and more. All of their equipment was top of the line back in the day.

The rifle you're talking about was a shortened 6x47, more like a 6x45. They wanted something different, so went about the task of shortening a 6x47 reamer with a chip out of the shoulder, which they purchased from Noby Uno.

Al passed away in 2002 from a hereditary heart condition and Bob followed a few years later. They were absolutely inseparable. They bought property together, set up a company to clean up logging sites and fight forest fires, along with other things, They did well on all of them. If you didn't know what to look for, you couldn't tell them apart as they were identical twins.

They designed a single shot action that utilized Jewel triggers, Remington bolts and could easily and quickly change out the barrels on by matching up the mate marks on the base.

Back to that rifle or more like rifles. They only built four of them. One each for themselves and one each for their two sons that showed an interest in shooting.

I miss those days we spent in the field and in the shop. We made everything, from stocks to scope rings/bases, trigger guards, trigger shoes, along with just about every other accessory we could think up.

Al made a special rifle rest for the unlimited class HBR matches to eliminate as much human error as possible. It utilized a large steel ball in a matching recess and aim was adjusted moving the handle attached to the ball. The thing was heavy, to say the least. The rifle wasn't clamped as per the rules but that rest was pushing a lot of rules to their limit.

They were extremely anal about repeatability and consistency. They used Titanium Putty almost exclusively as a bedding compound and skim coated with Brownelle's Acraglas. When accuracy wasn't up to their expectations, they sanded the skim coat down and reapplied it so the action was tight in the bedding. The stocks they built were made from hollow McMillan blanks, which were first filled with foam, then either an aluminum block bed, which had been machined fit the receiver was epoxied in or they filled the area with Putty and pressed the receiver in to form the bedding. After that, they always installed pillars.

Al was working on a solid aluminum stock when he came down with Cancer and had a heart attack at the same time. He never did finish it and after Al passed, Bob's heart was no longer into the shooting game.

I tried to keep him interested by inviting him to some HBR matches and to accompany me on hunts. He decided to fish instead, on Arrow Lake, where he and All grew up on a farm just out of Edgewood.

To compare a bedding job done by either Al or Bob to a factory off the shelf rifle??????? To use their bedding job as an example of how good it should be is about as good as it gets.
 
What an incredible legacy that the Forslund brothers passed on some of their knowledge to you fellas. Pay it forward, teach others the craft.

I have bedded several rifle stocks, but not an expert, mine was based on what I could learn from a few Tube vids and trial/error.
 
I remember the first Benchrest "Super Shoot" we held at Namaka back in the 70's. It was well attended with shooters from the US as well... Remington of Canada had donated a 40X for the winner.

Some very good shooters shot very well but there were two guys from BC who looked like a couple of hillbillies from the Ozarks... who the hell were they? And they both out shot everyone and impressed the hell out of everyone... the Forslund brothers took home the bacon.

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Bob and Albert were great shooters and also provided a great deal of comic relief at the matches. They were free with advice and sharing of info and their manner of speaking was best described as direct and colourful.
Their bedding was always technically perfect. There was no stress on the action and that is what I mean by "properly bedded".
When they were competing, at least half of the competitors built their own rifles but few went to the lengths that the Forslunds did. Nobby Uno, Dennis Sorenson, and Art Bourne were guys who made their living as gunsmiths while there was a host of very skilled amateur 'smiths. Back east, Vic Swindlehursdt also made his own actions and sold them and it is a lucky man who has one of these.
It was in the mid to late seventies that the glue-in supplanted conventional bedding as the technique of choice for the building of precision rifles and the last time I shot with Bob he was shooting a glued-in Shilen DGA.
Bob told me, "If a effing rifle doesn't hit in the same place after you take it apart and put it back together, there is something wrong with the effing bedding". I concur.
We were working with BR rifles but hunting rifles should be just the same. More and more, factory rifles are bedded and assembled in such a manner that they do very well in this regard as well.
 
I don't think the OP is talking about a glass, pillar, or aluminum block bedded rifle.

I seriously doubt that he has a torque wrench or the experience to set it up by feel.

I don't doubt what you're saying at all, because I did the same thing back in my match shooting days and still do it if I'm going on a long distance hunting trip. However, the rifles are not off the shelf bedded.

That's how I took it. - dan
 
I remember the first Benchrest "Super Shoot" we held at Namaka back in the 70's. It was well attended with shooters from the US as well... Remington of Canada had donated a 40X for the winner.

Some very good shooters shot very well but there were two guys from BC who looked like a couple of hillbillies from the Ozarks... who the hell were they? And they both out shot everyone and impressed the hell out of everyone... the Forslund brothers took home the bacon.

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yup and the f bomb was used somewhere in every sentence.

great guys and were very willing o learn as well as pass on every trick they picked up on from their own personal experience or experiments
 
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