Does the AI Enfield use an M14 magazine?
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Polar Man
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I have both an M305 and an AIA, and they are the exact same except for that square hole. If you cut out a hole like that it would function in the M305
but I am guessing you would be subject to some serious penalties if caught,
or would you? I pay a dollar a round so I don't mind the 5 mag rule, it's going to save me a bundle I am sure.
but I am guessing you would be subject to some serious penalties if caught,
or would you? I pay a dollar a round so I don't mind the 5 mag rule, it's going to save me a bundle I am sure.
Canuck223 said:
I don't think so, in this case we're extra double-safe.
First theres this, and yes your argument could be interpreted that way by the sneakiest meanest cheating gov't lawyers:
So they could, if they really really wanted to stretch the regulation they could say, "You manufactured that magazine by punching a little hole there." It'd be
, but who knows you're right to expect the worst.But then theres the deal-sealer:
Any cartridge magazine originally designed for a Lee Enfield. If they say you altered it from a Lee Enfield magazine, that only proves that it was originally designed for a Lee Enfield! It's a catch 22 but in a great way!
Polar Man
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I see what you are saying. It could have been modified to let grit and crap out of the mag well, so what if the mod happens to make it fit in a semi auto rifle. The only benefit for me is if I was out with both rifles and a polar bear charges, I can pop in the 10 round mag just in case. I do not condone anything illegal, but who would convict me for saving my own life? And if they do, at least I am still alive.
That square hole is just for a mag catch (which is really just the end of the op spring guide), you have to sorta roll the mag in. The enfield is much nicer, it just drops out.
I just thought of something, if you modded the rifle and ground off the mag catch so they would drop out, the AIA mags would fit.
That square hole is just for a mag catch (which is really just the end of the op spring guide), you have to sorta roll the mag in. The enfield is much nicer, it just drops out.
I just thought of something, if you modded the rifle and ground off the mag catch so they would drop out, the AIA mags would fit.
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You have already showed intent on here to use it in your m14/m305 so you do not have means rea. You are treading on thin ice by doing this and in my opinion it would be easy to convict you. Just be careful as there are alot of people who won't give you the benefit of the doubt. Alot of us want to use 10 round mags too but be careful about modifying mags as this will get you in crap real fast.
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Polar Man
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Doesn't it say lee enfield type rifles?
Anyway, I won't be doing it regardless.
Could someone give me a measurement where to put in a pin
from the top edge down on the shooter side of the mag?
Also does the pin interfere at all with the spring or should it still work fine?
Just popped the floor plate out and loaded 5 rounds and drilled the hole,
then I found a nail that was a tight fit, pounded it in and cut it flush with the dremel,
rock solid. will that be enough as far as the rivet goes, can I drill the hole for the mag catch now?
Anyway, I won't be doing it regardless.
Could someone give me a measurement where to put in a pin
from the top edge down on the shooter side of the mag?
Also does the pin interfere at all with the spring or should it still work fine?
Just popped the floor plate out and loaded 5 rounds and drilled the hole,
then I found a nail that was a tight fit, pounded it in and cut it flush with the dremel,
rock solid. will that be enough as far as the rivet goes, can I drill the hole for the mag catch now?
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Polar Man
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Well, I really want a bigger mag for mine, the 5 rounder I have is good with the sling but a pain to pull out. My AIA came with 2 so I can save the time and money.
I was only hoping there might be a loop hole where I could posess the modded 10 round mag but not use it unless a polar bear attacked.
The laws are a pain, but as responsible gun owners we must follow them. But if there are ways we can legally do some things, then why not?
I was only hoping there might be a loop hole where I could posess the modded 10 round mag but not use it unless a polar bear attacked.
The laws are a pain, but as responsible gun owners we must follow them. But if there are ways we can legally do some things, then why not?
BAITRON said:
Of what? What law would he be breaking? He isn't designing or manufacturing a magazine, he's cutting holes in one. Is there a law which prevents anyone from modifying magazines designed and intended to be used in bolt action rifles? I don't know of one - note that I am not saying there is not such a law, but if there is, where is it?
The only way mens rea can come into the question at all is if there is a specific law being broken - without actus reus then what does mens rea matter? Having intent to use the magazine in a rifle different than the one it is intended by the manufacturer to be used in (and then going and doing it, even) is not illegal at all. Look at Questar's importation of 10 round AR mags. Totally legal! The magazines themselves are prohibited or not depending on what gun they were manufactured for, not what gun you use them in. If somebody builds a bolt gun that takes magazines which work in an m14, or AR, well, as long as they are proprietary mags for that bolt gun, there is no problem. Load up your M14 with all the ammo you can stuff in the mag.
So unless there is a law which prevents the modification of magazines for bolt rifles, I am having a hard time imagining what actus reus is about to occur, and if there is no actus reus, then who cares if there is mens rea!
Danke for the legal nod Misanthropist.
The way I see it,
Not designed for semi-auto - Check
Not manufactured for semi-auto - Check
Is originally designed for Lee Enfield - Check
Is originally manufactured for Lee Enfield - Check
Capacity of cartridges for which is was designed 10 or less - Check
I'm not a Lee-Enfield expert, but we can't have Dragunovs because they're too simlar to Kalashnikovs, I'm pretty sure that this counts as a Lee Enfield. They specifically say, "commonly known", so that looks like it leaves the door open.
And why else would they regulate the capacity of a bolt-action magazine? I think they knew this interchangeability already, because they don't regulate any other non-semi-automatic rifle magazines.
Think about it, I agree that if it was just going by the first section it could be 'iffy'. But the 2nd part says "ANY magazine designed for something commonly called a Lee Enfield rifle. So, if there's any doubt about the first part, you just fall back and say, this is a magazine originally designed for a Lee Enfield rifle, it is specifically exempted in the regulations.
The way I see it,
Not designed for semi-auto - Check
Not manufactured for semi-auto - Check
Is originally designed for Lee Enfield - Check
Is originally manufactured for Lee Enfield - Check
Capacity of cartridges for which is was designed 10 or less - Check
I'm not a Lee-Enfield expert, but we can't have Dragunovs because they're too simlar to Kalashnikovs, I'm pretty sure that this counts as a Lee Enfield. They specifically say, "commonly known", so that looks like it leaves the door open.
And why else would they regulate the capacity of a bolt-action magazine? I think they knew this interchangeability already, because they don't regulate any other non-semi-automatic rifle magazines.
Think about it, I agree that if it was just going by the first section it could be 'iffy'. But the 2nd part says "ANY magazine designed for something commonly called a Lee Enfield rifle. So, if there's any doubt about the first part, you just fall back and say, this is a magazine originally designed for a Lee Enfield rifle, it is specifically exempted in the regulations.
Luckyorwhat said:
Would this run into the same problems regarding the Dlask 30 round pump-action mags mentioned in some of the other threads?
Also, while AIA (http://www.storm.ca/~aiarms/index.shtm) mentions the Enfield numerous times, I haven't seen them actually claim that their rifle *is* an Enfield, instead always calling it an M10. The closest you can get would seem to be a close relation like the Garand and the M305...
