Does your Rossi model 92 do this?

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I've tried to ask Rossi this question over the phone but I was told "send it in". I've seen two other stainless 92s like this, but some blued ones I've seen do NOT do this.

I have a new R92 in .44/stainless/16" barrel. Out of the box, when the lever is closed, the bolt moves forward normally, then stops when all the mortises are aligned. The two locking lugs move up and lock the bolt to the receiver, the lever clicks into place and all seems well. However, when I squeeze the lever more it will still go up a bit, the two lugs move up a bit more, and the bolt goes forward until it contacts the chamber, about 1/3mm perhaps. The problem is that now the bolt isn't resting on the locking lugs anymore - there is a tiny space between the front of the lugs and the rear of the bolt mortises. My concern is that when the gun is fired, it likely causes the bolt to slam back and impact the lugs, increasing stress. I've handled a blued rifle where the lever closes and clicks into position, and if you squeeze it more the bolt doesn't go forward any more, presumably because it is contacting the barrel.

Has anyone else seen this in a 92? I thought I'd ask here as I've heard it can take 6 months to get warranty service on a Rossi, and considering the rarity of the stainless trappers, I suspect that's what I'd be looking at. Thanks for your time.

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hickstick_10:

It does. In the store that's exactly what I thought, as the other identical rifle they had did it too, I thought it was normal. But when I got home and put a case in it still did the same thing, same deal with a live cartridge.
 
I doubt there will be much 'slam' to the lugs when fired... it's a pretty low pressure round as far as rifles go... I would suspect there is not much movement with a chambered round... there has to be some clearance on a round... maybe have the headspace checked.
 
I've seen 2 of those finely machined Br#####h Rossi Trappers in 45 Colt do exactly the same. I know Rossi has a 1 year warranty but I have been told it is useless in Canada as there are no parts being sent North. A friend has been waiting for over 18 months for a screw from the Rossi service depot but had one machined in the meantime. He still calls to find out his parts status for laughs.
I think your warranty depot is your closest machine shop.

Hardin
 
Hardin: Forgive me for sounding a bit clueless, but are you trying to say that the two rifles you saw were actually well made and that you feel this is normal? Or is there sarcasm there?

The warranty center (Snapshots in Quebec) told me that in most cases if the issue isn't a simple adjustment, they usually refund people since the rifles and parts take so long to come in and they don't want to leave people out for months without a gun.

Guntech: I see what you're saying, but I'm also curious about the stress on the lever linkage. The action is designed so that the lugs normally take all the force, but do you think the lever linkage could be damaged, as when the bolt first starts moving backwards the lever linkage is taking all the force, until the bolt mortises come into contact with the lugs?

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My br#####h Rossi .44 mag blued ranch hand is quite nice quality overall and it does not do this, both unloaded or loaded. Action was smooth as butter right out of the box as well.
 
I would think there would be so little movement and it happens so fast it is not a problem. Have the headspace checked, if it is correct and the idea still bothers you, bend the lever so it contacts the action on closing and stops before pushing the bolt excessively forward.
 
Try a case already fired from the gun and see if the play goes away. Than measure the overall length, difference between a new case and a fired case, that should give you a ideal.
 
jpbcal308 said:
Try a case already fired from the gun and see if the play goes away. Than measure the overall length, difference between a new case and a fired case, that should give you a ideal.
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Could you explain how the case length would have anything to do with it?
 
gyppo: Sarcasm for sure; Are you saying Snapshots will give you a refund on these fine firearms due to no parts availability??? Because dealers I know are sure not offering anything other than SnapShots address and phone number. No refund from them.

Hardin
 
The case length will give you a good ideal of the condition of the chamber, excess stretch of the case can be the result of a head space problem
 
jpbcal308 said:
The case length will give you a good ideal of the condition of the chamber, excess stretch of the case can be the result of a head space problem
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I don't buy it. This is a rimmed case, it does not headspace on a shoulder.

How does this have anything to do with causing the 'problem' described in post 1?
 
guntech said:
I doubt there will be much 'slam' to the lugs when fired... it's a pretty low pressure round as far as rifles go... I would suspect there is not much movement with a chambered round... there has to be some clearance on a round... maybe have the headspace checked.
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I don't know I'm not a gunsmith, but you tell me? What I'm saying is measuring a fired case will give a ideal of the condition of the chamber, That's all
 
jpb.........a straight walled pistol case does not react to excess headspace like a bottle neck rifle case does. The first action of the pressure curve is to push the case back against the bolt face or rear frame of the pistol...........in a bottle neck rifle case this happens later and is after the case has already expanded and gripped where the brass is thinner in the forward section of the case. Thus causing the case to grow by the amount of excess headspace. This does not happen with the faster powders and straight walled pistol cases.


OP.........it's a Rossi, just shoot it, you won't cause any problems more than already exist. It will not be any harder on cases, if you reload, due to the above explanation. Some of my old Winchesters have a fair bit of play and wear and I still shoot them lots, I am just very careful to keep them well within the pressure limitations they were designed for. The 86/92/71 design action is one of the strongest lever actions ever designed, so just go shoot the hell out of it and stop worrying about Rossi's poor QC, the design will make up for it.
 
Thanks for the explanation c-fbmi, Appreciated PS, if the chamber is not machine properly should the caseface show some signs, flatted primer, extractor mark? Or it's different on a rim case. Thanks Again
 
I have 5 Rossi m92 rifles and only one does not do the described "problem" and it happens to be an unfired 44 magnum. I have an Amadeus Rossi 454Casull that does it and 3 Brazetecs, a 45C Ranch hand, 20" pre bolt safety in 45C and a 1 year old 16" 357 mag and they all do it.I reload all the cases without problems. Many many times in most cases.
 
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