Dominion 12" non restricted?

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By pistol grip Im thinking you mean no butt stock right.... there fore the gun is much shorter now right ......... and if its shorter than the law says a Non restricted gun must be then its restricted right.....

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with the pistal grip is't either non restricted or prohib. it can never become restricted. the current law is a grey area. and should end up in court sooner or later, in the mean time put the pistal grip on at your own risk.
 
#1bcshooter said:
The 12" SG with reg stock Non restricted , With pistol grip Restricted ?
If you are at the range or any other place & you have the pistol grip attached the gun is now a resticted firearm is it not ?
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#1bcshooter, these are the laws as I under stand them. A bolt/pump action or single shot shotgun may have a barrel length under 18.5" if manufactured that way, and still be classified as a non-restricted. However a semi may not. 18.5" is the min. for these. You may not cut down a barrel for a bolt/pump action or single shot yourself from previously longer than 18.5" to less than 18.5" unless you are a barrel/firearm manufacture. Another twist to this sickining scenaro, is that a bolt/pump action or single shot shotgun may not have a stock which can be collapsed leaving the overall length of the shotgun less than 26". Am I correct in this? So I believe that a 12" Dominion Arms 870 clone may or may not fall into a restricted class. I'm not sure of the overall length of a 12" 870 with a pistol grip would be, as I don't own one. Someone else help me out hear, because I'm starting to get giddy:redface:
 
attaching a new stock to a pump shotgun is not "other means" when listing folding or telescoping there for you can have a non restricted shotgun with a pistol grip that is less (way less) then 26".

This is the law, and will remain the law until it is changed. (if it is)
 
Please don't jump all over people asking about this testy situation, when the answer is as hazy as the laws surrounding it. This may grind through the courts for years before we have a definitive answer on this, but needless to say there is a very real risk of being jumped on, and hard, if the wrong CO or police officer were to have a close look at a pistol grip shotgun with a short barrel already.

People talk pretty tough but I don't think anyone is carrying their 8.5" Dlask with a pistol grip through areas where they are likely to be questioned on the matter. Waving a letter from the RCMP concerning a vague ruling on the matter isn't going to help you in your little jurisdiction.
 
These short barrel pump shotguns are non-restricted IF...

(1) The barrel is a MANUFACTURED length, i.e. from the factory that way...

(2) You don't make the gun shorter by "folding or collapsing". By removing the buttstock and adding a pistol grip you are NOT making it shorter by folding or collapsing... So it remains NON-restricted.

I know many many people question the legality of these short shotguns, but as far as I am concerned my registration certificate says NON-restricted and as I understand it, the "addition" of a pistol grip is NOT addressed by Canadian firearm law. Call it an "oversight" by the people who wrote the law.

Take a second to look at the firearms that are now available here in Canada BECAUSE of the way our firearms laws were written... The Tavor, Swiss Arms, vz58 family etc...

Cheers
Jay
P.S. Get one while CanadaAmmo still has 'em!!!!
 
Jay said:
2) You don't make the gun shorter by "folding or collapsing". By removing the buttstock and adding a pistol grip you are NOT making it shorter by folding or collapsing... So it remains NON-restricted.

I know many many people question the legality of these short shotguns, but as far as I am concerned my registration certificate says NON-restricted and as I understand it, the "addition" of a pistol grip is NOT addressed by Canadian firearm law. Call it an "oversight" by the people who wrote the law.
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Jay, this is one gray area that I am a little confused on as well. But I'd be willing to bet that although pistol grips are not folded or collapsed, the installation of one of these types of grip would certainly end you up in court with the right type of LE officer who's in a perticulary lousy mood. I'm pretty sure when they say fold or collapse, that pertains to any stock that would make said firearm under 26", even pistol grips. I hope I am wrong on this though.
 
That's the whole deal ... If it can be shortened by folding or telescoping, well, that's bad juju ... a factory made pistolgrip does not fold or telescope, so a factory pistolgrip only is permitted even thought the overall length is shortened beyond the 660mm OAL law. Capish .... ?

So to recap, if you install a pistolgrip only with an 8.5" barrrel, you are within the law. There is a letter from the RCMP posted here by a member about this legality. Do a search and you find what you're looking for.

Regards.

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Jay, this is one gray area that I am a little confused on as well. But I'd be willing to bet that although pistol grips are not folded or collapsed, the installation of one of these types of grip would certainly end you up in court with the right type of LE officer who's in a perticulary lousy mood. I'm pretty sure when they say fold or collapse, that pertains to any stock that would make said firearm under 26", even pistol grips. I hope I am wrong on this though.
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another example of how our laws are retarded, pistol grip? sure thats fine. folding stock that makes the gun more bulky but the same length? thats a no no
 
KaiBosh said:
Please don't jump all over people asking about this testy situation, when the answer is as hazy as the laws surrounding it.
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The laws are NOT hazy, they are just plain stupid.

Shotgun as delivered with rifle stock, is NON-RESTRICTED.

Shotgun with pistol grip installed, has been MODIFIED (and is now restricted/prohibited), and you have 30 DAYS to notify the CFO of such modification so that the firearm may be "reclassified" to either "Restricted" or "Prohibited" whatever the case.

IF, on day 29, you remove said pistol grip, and re-install the original rifle stock, your shotgun REMAINS NON-RESTRICTED. And the clock gets reset to ZERO. If you then re-install the pistol grip, the 30 days to notify starts all over again.

Sounds like fun, no???

Don't try to make sense of a stupid law or you will probably lose what little sanity you have remaining.

IF, you get stopped while hiking with your short shottie and LEO says, "WHEN did this shottie get the pistol grip?" You know what to answer. Just make sure not to lose the original rifle/butt stock!
 
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easy said:
That's the whole deal ... If it can be shortened by folding or telescoping, well, that's bad juju ... a factory made pistolgrip does not fold or telescope, so a factory pistolgrip only is permitted even thought the overall length is shortened beyond the 660mm OAL law. Capish .... ?

So to recap, if you install a pistolgrip only with an 8.5" barrrel, you are within the law. There is a letter from the RCMP posted here by a member about this legality. Do a search and you find what you're looking for.

Regards.
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Well easy, I'm glad I was wrong on the pistol grip point;) Just a quick question, and excuse me if I've hijacked this thread. I'm more into Semi(1100 Remmy) shotguns. I know that you can not have a barrel less then 18.5" on a semi, but can I have a semi with an 18.5" barrel and a pistol grip stock? How about a folding stock?
 
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Well easy, I'm glad I was wrong on the pistol grip point;) Just a quick question, and excuse me if I've hijacked this thread. I'm more into Semi(1100 Remmy) shotguns. I know that you can not have a barrel less then 18.5" on a semi, but can I have a semi with an 18.5" barrel and a pistol grip stock? How about a folding stock?
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yes it would be over 26" so no prob.
 
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