drawbacks of 1911 concept?

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since I want one, I'd be stupid not to try to educate myself in this regard.... 1911 is a good pistol, but it must have some drawbacks - otherwise all of you would have just that.

compared with Glock, Hipower, SIG, CZ ..... concepts, what are the things that make those better (in one or more particular regards) than the 1911?

what make them special? - I try to minimize personal preference or fit, and stress more the safety-reliability-simplicity-easyness.to.strip.and.clean-inherent.accuracy factors.
 
1911 is an accurate pistol, which is not really surprising; light SA trigger, 5in barrel adjustable sights. But it has been around for a while and IMO there are more reliable designs out there. Also 7-8 round capacity isn’t a lot even in Canada...

There are hundreds of 1911 models by dozens gun makers are some of course are better than others (price range $350-$3000+)

I’d really like to get my hands on a Kimber in 10mm :)
 
From my limited knowledge (and it’s pretty small)

Link pin wears out at ###x? # of rds
Extractor and/or spring needs to be every 3,000? Rds
Norinco and old version do not have a firing pin safety
I find the takedown annoying compared to a Sig which is the easiest.
Getting used to the grip safety takes time.
Hammer bite without the extended beaver tail


What I do like
Easy to clean once disassembled
Trigger pull is consentient
Mags are cheap and plentiful
An easy gun to get many, many parts for and alter
Chunk of history
Your brass is easy to pick out from everyone’s 9mm

If you are going Norinco, I highly recommand Armco
 
1911 Pistol

The 1911 came first. The basic design is going on 100 years old now. Some improvements along the way. But it's still here & going strong. :cool:

Who would've thought 20 years ago that in 2006 that S&W would be producing a 1911 pistol, that Sig would be producing a 1911 pistol, that Taurus would be producing a 1911 pistol [well, actually I really don't care that Taurus makes a 1911 pistol :p]....

If you shoot a 1911 & spend some real time appreciating it's function the question will be self answering... ;)
 
Well there are a lot of variations of the 1911 design so drawbacks really stem from whatever version one is talking about. Also to note, it is safe to say that the 1911's Browning lock up is a design inspired most of the popular designs in pistols used today.

I think the key points that people like about any 1911 are the single action trigger, the 5''(in gov't style) barrel, slick design and if traditional single stack...the slim grip...

Many 1911s have differing complicated take downs however. The milspec requires fiddling of that barrel bushing, not a big deal...Some with full length guiderods need screwdrivers, some need little pushing pins for basic fieldstriping, etc etc....which if you are a gun enthusiast, shouldn't be a problem, if you were some mercenary soldier, you'd be an idiot to take it to be battlefield...

Some will also tell you about choosing between slides with traditional internal vs external extractors. Then there are the 1911s that aren't in traditional 45acp but come in an assortment of calibers and single and double stack...

There's a lot of choosing to be done.
 
eltorro said:
- I try to minimize personal preference or fit, and stress more the safety-reliability-simplicity-easyness.to.strip.and.clean-inherent.accuracy factors.
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I think you just said Glock.
 
Main drawback is that .45acp ammunition is too expensive (being almost double 9x19 costs) otherwise I'd have got one instead of a .40S&W :D
 
Winz said:
which if you are a gun enthusiast, shouldn't be a problem, if you were some mercenary soldier, you'd be an idiot to take it to be battlefield...
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I'm obviously not one, but for the sake of it, why wouldn't 1911 be a good choice for a mercenary? -
 
One thing I like about the 1911 is it is designed to be detail stripped by the end user, not just armorers and gunsmiths.

Other than that? They don't fit my hands at all, to the point where I'm pulling on the trigger and shifting my grip until I fire the gun with the web of my thumb. Even the widebodies.

Grip safeties suck #### incredibly hard.
 
eltorro said:
I'm obviously not one, but for the sake of it, why wouldn't 1911 be a good choice for a mercenary? -
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Oops...I didn't mean all 1911s...that would be silly, given that it served in the US Military for decades. I actually meant some of the fussier 1911s that have longer complicated take down(basic field strip) procedures require tools or pin punches
 
Funny, I think the 1911 is among the best designs out there. (speaking as a mechanical design engineer).

Its definitely one of the easiest to strip and clean COMPLETELY... The cz trigger mech has more parts than the whole 1911.

Glock does the basic top off pretty easy, but again, you don't just pull all the guts out of that trigger mech. anytime anyplace.

There are of course many variations, but there is nothing inherently "bad" in the 1911 design. And when properly set up its very reliable.

If you really hate one of the safeties (usually the grip safety) thats easily remedied. Just pin it.

Any other drawbacks are more of a personal fit nature.
 
NAA said:
The 1911 came first. The basic design is going on 100 years old now. Some improvements along the way. But it's still here & going strong. :cool:

Who would've thought 20 years ago that in 2006 that S&W would be producing a 1911 pistol, that Sig would be producing a 1911 pistol, that Taurus would be producing a 1911 pistol [well, actually I really don't care that Taurus makes a 1911 pistol :p]....

If you shoot a 1911 & spend some real time appreciating it's function the question will be self answering... ;)
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Just splitting hairs but SIG does not make a 1911, SIGARMs does.
 
Rapt said:
Funny, I think the 1911 is among the best designs out there. (speaking as a mechanical design engineer).

Its definitely one of the easiest to strip and clean COMPLETELY... The cz trigger mech has more parts than the whole 1911.
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with you so far... Too many surface to surface contacts for my taste, but it's still a damn good design... except for that 3 leaf spring, too.

Glock does the basic top off pretty easy, but again, you don't just pull all the guts out of that trigger mech. anytime anyplace.
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Screeeeeeech!

All the wheels came off. You're totally off base, and talking "a la derriere" as the french would say :) The glock is about 3X easier than the 1911 to detail strip and re-assemble.

Easiest gun to detail strip period, unless I'm much mistaken.
 
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