Dummy/Practice inert grenades

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Hey guys,

First things first, I have no idea where to post this. Figured this might be my best shot from reading all the forum titles. So, if it's in the wrong place, sorry!

Next off, i'm in the market for replica/practice/dummy/inert/whatever you want to call them - grenades.

I came across this American website that carries pineapple, baseball and lemon style dummy grenades.

http://www.keepshooting.com/militarysurplus/collectibles/inert-grenade-pineapple.htm

Didn't say anywhere on there they didnt ship these to Canada (unlike some other things on the website, mostly anything active like smoke grenades/flares/etc). So I placed an order for one of each.

I emailed customs and the website after, double checking to see if I would have any boarder problems. Got an email from the website a day later, informing me they do not ship inert grenades to Canada, without any more information.

So my question is, are these illegal here? Or can they just not be brought across the boarder? If they are allowed here, does anyone know where I can buy them?

Thanks!

Shay
 
Ordered one of each of these bad boys!

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My "Just-In-Case Apocalypse" locker is now under way!

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Inert grenades are not illegal in Canada but new Canada Posts regulations regard them as dangerous goods (anything that LOOKS like an explosive item or ammunition is not accepted in Canada Post parcels anymore)... Inert ammunition and ordnance will also most likely make Canada Border Services employees piss their pants and call in the bomb squad. Everything must be dismantled and obviously empty before shipping, preferably in multiple parcels... But even then, nowadays, it may be confiscated or destroyed if someone check the content of your packages! Shame because I really like old inert grenades!!
 
From the website you guys are going to:
All our products are shipped and processed at our massive World Wide Warehouse located in good old Buffalo, New York... the smallest big town around. Our warehouse, designed by the famous Frank Lloyd Wright, is 400,000 sq ft of pure history, filled to the rafters with military products dating back to the 1800's. Not just our wholesale headquarters, it also houses Uncle Sam's Army Navy Outlet, America's Largest Army Surplus Store, with over 50,000 sq ft of authentic military surplus!
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They might be using a ".ca" website, but they are US located. If they do try and mail them to you, odds are they will be seized by either the US customs, the Cdn customs, or the Cdn Post office system.
 
As mentionned, inert ordnance cannot be sent by Canada Post.
Mail in Canada is routinely x-rayed. Much of it goes by air. If something looks like a grenade is observed, CP treats it as if it was live, until this is ruled out. The sorting center may be shut down until the bomb squad gives the all clear. If you stop and think about it, they don't have many options, these days.
Parcels entering Canada are likely going to be opened. CBSA isn't going to be able to tell if the item is live or not, so they will treat it as if it is.
The grenades pictured are training grenades, likely with fired practice igniter sets. The bodies may or may not be original, they could be repro.
I don't collect these things, only have two. One is a WWI British Mk. I - cylindrical head, iron stem, wooden handle and canvas streamers. Impact ignited, no delay, unpopular in the trenches, because if you hit the parados when bring the grenade back to throw it..... The other is a WWI French Mle. 1916 automatic fuse grenade, the French equivalent of the Mills Bomb.
 
Some well sort after dummies are M18 smoke & commie potato masher. If you see one for sale at a gun show, consider it your lucky day.
 
Okay guys, got some more information here!

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5092-eng.html#_item23

GC Website
What is a non-mailable item?

Non-mailable items include goods that could potentially endanger postal employees or soil or damage mail or equipment. They also include goods transmitted by post in contravention of an act or a regulation of Canada.

Examples of non-mailable items include the following:

* replica or inert munitions including replica or inert grenades or other simulated military munitions, whether or not such items are for display purposes;
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So, these items are NOT allowed to be sent via Canada Post. I've contacted the boarder customs for Canada and spoke with a nice guy there. Heres a summary of what information I was able to get from him

- As long as these items are not prohibited in Canada, we can get them

- Only Canada Post will not allow them, other couriers will. So as long as they are sent from a different courier, they will not be seized.

- Boarder/Customs from this guys experience has never seized or seen inert grenades, so if anyone is to seize them it will be Canada Post. If Canada Post does seize them, we may only have the option if we're lucky to return to sender. You cannot pick them up from Canada Post.

He gave me a link to check and see if they are prohibited, I would imagine they are not but its a bit lengthy and i'll have to look through it.

I've contacted the website I ordered the grenades from to check and see if they will go through Canada Post, and if so if I can get it changed before the item has been shipped.

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d19/d19-13-2-eng.pdf

Edit: After looking through the list the only thing that comes up even close to resembeling this is the following:

PDF File

Other Military Goods
73. Other military goods include both goods specifically
designed or subsequently modified for military use, such as
large calibre armaments, grenade and rocket launchers, high
explosive engines or any other war machine. Military goods
are listed in the Import Control List and the Export Control
List under the Export and Import Permits Act.
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However, it says nothing regarding replica, inert, etc etc. So I think we're safe as far as if its prohibited goes. We can always appeal any seize decision anyway.
 
DocShay said:
. I've contacted the boarder customs for Canada and spoke with a nice guy there. Heres a summary of what information I was able to get from him

- As long as these items are not prohibited in Canada, we can get them
......

However, it says nothing regarding replica, inert, etc etc. So I think we're safe as far as if its prohibited goes. We can always appeal any seize decision anyway.
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You think so? Then please explain why 5 rd pinned mag, dewat & airsoft guns are not allowed in. They are all legal and not prohib in this country.
But you are welcome to try. It's your money on the line after all.
 
I don't know why you are asking me for an explanation, I was simply passing on the information that was given to me by the boarder/customs.
Feel free to call them as I did, I'm sure they can awnser that for you.

Regarding the portion you quoted me about " if its not prohib we can get it" - that as in referance to inert hand grenades, not airsoft or firearms related. If you check that pdf file I linked, there's things in there about those, but nothing regarding dummy grenades.
 
"...boarder problems..." Take the legal steps to kick 'em out. You cross borders, not boarders. Geezuz!
"...where I can buy them?..." They appear at guns shows, occasionally. Not exactly a regular retail thing. Don't even think about trying to cross the border with one.
"...Buffalo, New York...the smallest big town around..." Got stranded(4 days. Still have the occasional nightmare.) in downtown Barfalo, with a broken vehicle, on Saturday, at 4 PM, several years back. My Summer vaction was spent there. shudder!
Everything closes at noon on Saturday(not that there's much to start with. Block after block after block of boarded up shops.) and they roll the sidewalks up at 5 PM during the week. The only thing that saved my sanity was the Public Library. Internet access cost me $1. Was able to e-mail for contact and money.
 
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