EC Brake-Tuner
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25_Straight
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I’ve got both Insite and the EC ones, both are awesome, you won’t be disappointed with either one. I do love me some Heathens tho!!!
I have used the EC on two rifles, and Spearhead on another - they all work as advertised. I took my various pet loads for each rifle that shot the best (6mmbr 75/87vmax, 105 hyb, 107 smk; 223w 60vmax/80smk), put the tuner on, and did the tuner test - almost all groups tightened up, like really tightened up.
BUT - i found i had to readjust the tuner for best groups on different range sessions - they shot different at -10 as compared to +25 temps. I kept lots of notes, so now i know the setting on tuner for different bullets on cooler/warmer days. Was repeatable doing this. Almost all groups shrunk. Most impressive was my 223/60vmax, all the 5 shot groups were one holers at 200yds with proper tune
After, I also took two good loads in one rifle, and took the tuner off. Played with neck tension and seating depth at much finer levels than before (changed neck tension by 2 thou & seating increments of 3 thou vs increments of 15 thou) and after a few range sessions, was basically able to replicate groups i got with the tuner.
Looking back, the tuner did save me rounds to get to final endpoint of best accuracy with given loads, with my routine. I was lucky in that most tuner settings showed wicked groups in the first half of the first rotation of the tuner.
I did find that the loads that tuned the best were those with tighter es/sd's.
Its a fun toy to see what your rifle is really capable of doing with your pet loads, without having to do micro adjustments at the loading bench.
IMHO, its all about figuring out the harmonics of your barrel, with or without tuner....Tuner is just easy street.
BUT - i found i had to readjust the tuner for best groups on different range sessions - they shot different at -10 as compared to +25 temps. I kept lots of notes, so now i know the setting on tuner for different bullets on cooler/warmer days. Was repeatable doing this. Almost all groups shrunk. Most impressive was my 223/60vmax, all the 5 shot groups were one holers at 200yds with proper tune
After, I also took two good loads in one rifle, and took the tuner off. Played with neck tension and seating depth at much finer levels than before (changed neck tension by 2 thou & seating increments of 3 thou vs increments of 15 thou) and after a few range sessions, was basically able to replicate groups i got with the tuner.
Looking back, the tuner did save me rounds to get to final endpoint of best accuracy with given loads, with my routine. I was lucky in that most tuner settings showed wicked groups in the first half of the first rotation of the tuner.
I did find that the loads that tuned the best were those with tighter es/sd's.
Its a fun toy to see what your rifle is really capable of doing with your pet loads, without having to do micro adjustments at the loading bench.
IMHO, its all about figuring out the harmonics of your barrel, with or without tuner....Tuner is just easy street.
For me I found it the best to have the tuner on, but leave it at zero, while making up your load. Then only if you have to, adjust it for different conditions. If it stops shooting at zero repeatedly at your original zero conditions, then it’s time to adjust powder or likely just seating depth.
When I first got it I threw it on and did find a tight grouping spot but it would not hold at distance without further adjustment.
When I first got it I threw it on and did find a tight grouping spot but it would not hold at distance without further adjustment.
Pointdexter
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A guy can drive himself nuts chasing small groups.
Enlighten US KT on what you mean ? RJ
Tuners of course, are not new, but have certainly gained popularity in recent years.
I am a firm believer that many buy stuff like tuners thinking it will improve their shooting, when in reality it may improve the accuracy of the rifle, but not the shooter themselves..
Gear like a tuner will not turn an average shooter into a great shooter, especially when it comes to competitive shooting , but they do work, however small the gain is.
In the case of a Master or High Master , I think a tuner can certainly make the difference in Vbulls, but a bad wind call cancels everything out anyway! LOL
For someone like myself, if I were to get out of TR and start shooting F/TR or F/O. a tuner would be the last thing I would be looking at as far as new gear goes.
Cat
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From what I understand, a tuner is most useful where you have no opportunity to tune the load to your rifle. An example of this would be rimfire ammunition or any factory ammunition, or hand loads where you have made some change to the rifle such as swapping out a suppressor or brake. But, given that you can tune a handload to a rifle barrel through charge weights and seating depth, the tuner may not be needed if you maintain shooting conditions such as temperature to within limits that don't matter.
I really think they can be beneficial on a competitive rimfire rig, simply because the only way to get accurate ammo differences is to buy a lot number by the case.
the caveat of coure, is not getting into the habit of turning the danged tuner every time something goes sideways .
I have seen guys twist scope turrets and tuners until they are totally frustrated, which leads to my previous comments in post #13!
Cat
I really think they can be beneficial on a competitive rimfire rig, simply because the only way to get accurate ammo differences is to buy a lot number by the case.
the caveat of coure, is not getting into the habit of turning the danged tuner every time something goes sideways .
I have seen guys twist scope turrets and tuners until they are totally frustrated, which leads to my previous comments in post #13!
Cat
Yes, I agree. But you still can't count on the tuner fixing a bad round, so consistency of the ammo would be extremely important to eliminating that annoying flyer.
Yup, flyers are always a concern with rimfire ammo
Cat
So KT what’s SNAKE OIL about tuners ! I need YOU to enlighten me ! RJ
No, just no. You aren't allowed to ask that question. If you have to ask, you aren't allowed to use them.
