(edited title) Museum's inventory: P.I.A.T.

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Hi Guys,

I'm not going to work this morning and believe me, I would go for free... I can't believe myself that my job is touching, fixing and cataloging some old and great weapons like I do.

So, from my home place, I decided to share this one with you. As a former anti-tank guy myself, using the TOW missile and all the other small rocket launchers, I can't believe someone was firing at tanks with this thing! Meanwhile, one canadian private, Ernest Alvia "Smokey" Smith won a Victoria Cross to have used this anti-tank weapon. Here the citation:

In Italy on the night of 21st–22nd October 1944, a Canadian Infantry Brigade was ordered to establish a bridgehead across the Savio River. The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada were selected as the spearhead of the attack, and in weather most unfavourable to the operation they crossed the river and captured their objective in spite of strong opposition from the enemy.

Torrential rain had caused the Savio River to rise six feet in five hours, and as the soft vertical banks made it impossible to bridge the river no tanks or anti-tank guns could be taken across the raging stream to the support of the rifle companies.

As the right forward company was consolidating its objective it was suddenly counter-attacked by a troop of three Mark V Panther tanks supported by two self-propelled guns and about thirty infantry and the situation appeared hopeless.

Under heavy fire from the approaching enemy tanks, Private Smith, showing great initiative and inspiring leadership, led his P.I.A.T. Group of two men across an open field to a position from which the P.I.A.T. could best be employed. Leaving one man on the weapon, Private Smith crossed the road with a Private James Tennant and obtained another P.I.A.T. Almost immediately an enemy tank came down the road firing its machine-guns along the line of the ditches. Private Smith's comrade, Private Tennant was wounded. At a range of thirty feet and having to expose himself to the full view of the enemy, Private Smith fired the P.I.A.T. and hit the tank, putting it out of action. Ten German infantry immediately jumped off the back of the tank and charged him with Schmeissers and grenades. Without hesitation Private Smith moved out on the road and with his Tommy gun at point-blank range, killed four Germans and drove the remainder back. Almost immediately another tank opened fire and more enemy infantry closed in on Smith's position. Obtaining some abandoned Tommy gun magazines from a ditch, he steadfastly held his position, protecting Private Tennant and fighting the enemy with his Tommy gun until they finally gave up and withdrew in disorder.

One tank and both self-propelled guns had been destroyed by this time, but yet another tank swept the area with fire from a longer range. Private Smith, still showing utter contempt for enemy fire, helped his wounded friend to cover and obtained medical aid for him behind a nearby building. He then returned to his position beside the road to await the possibility of a further enemy attack.

No further immediate attack developed, and as a result the battalion was able to consolidate the bridgehead position so vital to the success of the whole operation, which led to the capture of San Giorgio Di Cesena and a further advance to the Ronco River.

Thus, by the dogged determination, outstanding devotion to duty and superb gallantry of this private soldier, his comrades were so inspired that the bridgehead was held firm against all enemy attacks, pending the arrival of tanks and anti-tank guns some hours later.


I won't give a detailed description of the P.I.A.T. as I'm far to be an expert of this weapon but just keeping in mind that it was pushing the shaped charge only using a recoiled spring. The range was short, the weapon almost dangerous for the user than the target. At the end, we have a very special weapon and lucky enough to have this one to testify how brave were these men using it on the battlefield.

Hope you'll enjoy?

Have a good one,

Martin















































 
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P. I. A. T. ------------Projector, Infantry, Anti-Tank.

Bit*h of a time trying to #### the spring. Even more of a one to fire it. But it was portable.



Although used by the French and of French design, this is what the British had in 1939 - the 25mm Hotchkiss ---( 200 of them.) . All right for the early tanks but not very usefull after a year or so. This picture was taken last year, at our Milsurp get-together in Virden, Mb.


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Piece of crap! PIAT had huge spring that had to be re-cocked for each shot. It had to be re-cocked from the standing position by the average man due to the strength of the spring. Nothing like standing up in an infnatry-tank battle!
 
it doesnt use the spring to propel the round, it uses it to set off the lofting charge in the base of the round like a mortar. the little nipple on the rod that protrudes is the firing pin.

used at maximum elevation 370 yards is the longest range, see the 370 mark on your sight there
 
Piece of crap! PIAT had huge spring that had to be re-cocked for each shot. It had to be re-cocked from the standing position by the average man due to the strength of the spring. Nothing like standing up in an infnatry-tank battle!

actually, the round fired and recocked the spring, only needed to be cocked the first time
 
it was pushing the shaped charge only using a recoiled spring. The range was short, the weapon almost dangerous for the user than the target.

Nope, the spring drove a spigot into the base of the round that in turn detonated to drive the round off towards the target being shot at. The gases of the PIAT bomb drove the weighty spigot and spring rearward which 1. absorbed recoil and 2. was recocked for subsequent rounds. The large spring does not "push" the round to target.
PS: the shoulder piece is on sideways and should go up and down.
 
Interesting piece of history and apparently Private Smith has a pair of these where most men carry their balls. Damn!
 
Question for the real experts on PIATS, does this example depicted have the adaptor for firing mortar bombs? The pics show something seated in the tray where the PIAT bomb would be placed.
 
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Once again, the repeating of rumors, opinions and tales are being onto the "Disinformation Net" as being facts by people who know very little about such things, and have never fired one. Kind of resembles the "exploding Ross Rifles" posts

SCOTT585 and XCRD011 have it right.


If the P.I.A.T. was so "useless" and did not work well, why were 115,000 of them made and were in service from 1943 until 1951?
 
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Piece of crap! PIAT had huge spring that had to be re-cocked for each shot. It had to be re-cocked from the standing position by the average man due to the strength of the spring. Nothing like standing up in an infnatry-tank battle!

Could never figure out why the Brits would haul that back breaker around, when the bazooka must have been available. :confused:

Grizz
 
there is a member here who has allegedly fired this weapon in either fear or anger. was in the Pic of the Day thread. was fairly recently, can`t find it exactly, can`t remember who it was. but it was in Africa , `60s? maybe. if any can find that and chat with him, maybe you`d change your mind. but probably not.
 
bearhunter is his name on here.

Also, my great uncle was in the same platoon as Smokie and had nothing but bad things to say about him haha. Said the only reason he won the VC was he was so drunk all the time he didnt really give a #### what happened to him or around him. Basically said he was a drunk ####### the whole war.
there is a member here who has allegedly fired this weapon in either fear or anger. was in the Pic of the Day thread. was fairly recently, can`t find it exactly, can`t remember who it was. but it was in Africa , `60s? maybe. if any can find that and chat with him, maybe you`d change your mind. but probably not.
 
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Once again, the repeating of rumors, opinions and tales are being onto the "Disinformation Net" as being facts by people who know very little about such things, and have never fired one. Kind of resembles the "exploding Ross Rifles" posts

SCOTT585 and XCRD011 have it right.


If the P.I.A.T. was so "useless" and did not work well, why were 115,000 of them made and were in service from 1943 until 1951?

I spend 4 years in a infantry platoon where we carried around a 60mm mortar tube with no bipod. Totally useless and inaccurate but we carried it, why, because infantry platoons in WW2 carried a 50mm mortar and it was our doctrine. PIAT was useless compared to bazooka, it was more complicated, cost more to make, had less range, less killing power. It's one redeeming feature was the ability to be fired from inside a house like the modern Armburst or Eryx. The reality is that we could have been armed with bazooka at less cost without denying any to the Yanks and the PIAT production could have been used for something more useful. We were issued it because it was "BRITISH". A fetish we are finally starting to kick the habit of.
 
Question for the real experts on PIATS, does this example depicted have the adaptor for firing mortar bombs? The pics show something seated in the tray where the PIAT bomb would be placed.

Practice adapter.
For firing these things...
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I know a guy who used a PIAT in Italy. he is of slight build and he was not fond of it. I am guessing he liked when he needed it.

If the spring is only used to ignite the propellant, why did it have to be so stiff?
 
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