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Foxer2373

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Hey guys,

Looking to put together a night time predator rifle(live stock protection). I have my day time stuff all squared away for hunting, HD and Predator D. This needs to be a Quiet (as possible sans suppressor) rifle with the ability to knock down a coyote at 50-100y hence the .17 option. This will be mounted with a night vision optic (advice welcome) I have used the high end stuff in my past Gen 2,2+and 3+ but would like to be around a grand for the rifle option and a grand or less on NV

Let's here your setup and ammo suggestions!
 
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You may wish to rephrase.

Discharging a firearm at night I do believe is a federal offence.

You can how ever hunt raccoons at night.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/hunt-raccoon-night

The law
Only residents of Ontario can hunt a raccoon with a firearm at night.

You need a valid resident small game licence or a trapping licence to hunt a raccoon.

You must also follow certain rules.

Source law
This is a summary of the provincial laws. You can find a complete set of rules related to this activity in:

Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997
Ontario Regulation 665/98 (Hunting)
Ontario Regulation 667/98 (Trapping)
The rules
You must:
have a valid resident small game licence or Ontario trapping licence
hunt only during the open season for raccoons
if you are a trapper, hunt only in the area described in your trapping licence
be accompanied by at least 1 dog licensed for hunting
only use a .22-calibre rim-fire rifle chambered for .22 short, long, or long rifle cartridges
keep firearms unloaded and encased while in a vehicle or boat
if using a light while hunting, do so only if the light is not attached to, or shone from, a vehicle or boat.

Source : https://www.ontario.ca/page/hunt-raccoon-night
 
I don't know about the 17 but the Quiet .22 is only 700'ish fps at the muzzle. So I'd wonder about how effective it is on the larger size of game that is normally hunted with regular .22. Seems like you'd have a lot greater chance of wounding shots than clean takedowns.
 
BCRider said:
I don't know about the 17 but the Quiet .22 is only 700'ish fps at the muzzle. So I'd wonder about how effective it is on the larger size of game that is normally hunted with regular .22. Seems like you'd have a lot greater chance of wounding shots than clean takedowns.
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Moot point.

Hunting at night - Illigal

Only exception. Raccoon hunting.

Must have a licensed dog, 22lr and appropriate licence. Not to mention has to be during raccoon season...
 
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Canadiankeeper said:
You may wish to rephrase.

Discharging a firearm at night I do believe is a federal offence.

You can how ever hunt raccoons at night.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/hunt-raccoon-night

The law
Only residents of Ontario can hunt a raccoon with a firearm at night.

You need a valid resident small game licence or a trapping licence to hunt a raccoon.

You must also follow certain rules.

Source law
This is a summary of the provincial laws. You can find a complete set of rules related to this activity in:

Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997
Ontario Regulation 665/98 (Hunting)
Ontario Regulation 667/98 (Trapping)
The rules
You must:
have a valid resident small game licence or Ontario trapping licence
hunt only during the open season for raccoons
if you are a trapper, hunt only in the area described in your trapping licence
be accompanied by at least 1 dog licensed for hunting
only use a .22-calibre rim-fire rifle chambered for .22 short, long, or long rifle cartridges
keep firearms unloaded and encased while in a vehicle or boat
if using a light while hunting, do so only if the light is not attached to, or shone from, a vehicle or boat.

Source : https://www.ontario.ca/page/hunt-raccoon-night
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Yes raccoon "hunting" is legal and other "hunting" is not however on a farm property it is lawful to discharge a firearm to protect livestock which is what this is for. I am well away from the city and many others in my area will use a shotgun, 308 and even 45/75 to dispatch coyotes if they threaten their calfs and foals.

Just looking for something quieter and easier recoil on the night vision.
 
Yes, that's all true. And hopefully he drops the idea of actually night hunting. But there may be other daytime situations where he might want to try using the Quiet ammo.

EDIT- Just saw your farm use. So back to where we started... :D
 
Canadiankeeper said:
Moot point.

Hunting at night - Illigal
Discharging a firearm at night - Illegal

Only exception. Raccoon hunting.

Must have a licensed dog, 22lr and appropriate licence. Not to mention has to be during raccoon season...
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Where are you getting that discharge at night is illegal? I don't believe that is true.
 
Foxer2373 said:
Yes raccoon "hunting" is legal and other "hunting" is not however on a farm property it is lawful to discharge a firearm to protect livestock which is what this is for. I am well away from the city and many others in my area will use a shotgun, 308 and even 45/75 to dispatch coyotes if they threaten their calfs and foals.

Just looking for something quieter and easier recoil on the night vision.
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In the first post, you stated night hunting. Not live stock protection.

17 can work. I Wouldn't shoot past 100 with it. They also tend to run for a while. So if you are looking to recover the animal to inspect it. Expect to have a walk...
Same thing with the 22mag... Watched a buddy take a clean vitals shot with 22mag. Yote took off. Never recovered it. Did it die? yup... When and where ? No idea.

If you want anything that will work during the day legally will work at night.

Anything that will drop a yote is going to need hearing protection.

223 wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
The .22 Quiets are really very quiet. And they will deal very nicely with a rabbit at short to medium range.

But for a Coyote At 100 yards?

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=3&loadNo=960 - look at the ballistics chart. 18 inch drop if you zero at 50 yards and really not so much energy 36 ft-lbs.

Compare with stingers - which are probably your best option for Coyote hunting with a .22LR

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=3&loadNo=0050 - 3 inch drop and 81 ft-lbs.

Big difference. But make a huge bang.

Honestly if you want to "protect your wildlife" on the down-low a good crossbow with noise damping is nearly silent, utterly capable of a humane kill at 75 yards or so and be well within your budget.

Any firearm powerful enough for a clean kill is going to be too loud, any firearm quiet enough is going to be marginal for a humane kill at the ranges you are looking at.
 
Changed to live stock protection. I could go the 223 route yes but I don't own a .22 or 17 and I own a lot so that just seems wrong so I figure if I'm gonna grab one I'll make it a Quiet(ish) one.

Would love to use my crossbow but in not ce conditions 50-60yqrd is the max I'm comfortable at and they done make a NV scope for crossbows, they blow them apart.
 
CB's and shorts are fairly quiet.

What are you using for night vision BTW?
Im thinking about mounting my cheap firefield NV monocular from opticsplanet on a .22 and using a cheap laser dot. Easy to swap the NV for regular scope.
 
cody c said:
CB's and shorts are fairly quiet.

What are you using for night vision BTW?
Im thinking about mounting my cheap firefield NV monocular from opticsplanet on a .22 and using a cheap laser dot. Easy to swap the NV for regular scope.
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Looking for sugesstions I've only ever used high end night vision I know nothing of value night vision looking to spend under 1k if possible. If not I'd just save up and buy some gen 2+ stuff.
 
talking ammo alone~there is no quiet 17, and the very slow "Quiet-22" branded CCI ammo isn't nearly powerful enough. I'd hazard a guess that it wouldn't be @ point blank range. Of course, there are 3 levels of 22 velocity in commercially available ammo. The "Quiet" being around 700fps, sub-sonic (just below the speed of sound) @ around 1040 fps..sometimes called "Standard velocity" and then HIGH velocity ammo like CCI Stingers/Mini-Mags etc. All would be poor choices for coyote, but it wouldn't take long to Google someone claiming they're all OK for coyote. lol

20grain HP, 17HMR and any 22MAG (22WMR) would be OK with good shot placement out to 100 yards...but really, I don't know of anyone who reaches for either as a dedicated coyote rifle. That says something.
 
linux99 said:
Any firearm powerful enough for a clean kill is going to be too loud, any firearm quiet enough is going to be marginal for a humane kill at the ranges you are looking at.
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^this. I'd urge the OP to find someone in his area who owns say...a 17HMR. Not sure what noise level is considered "too much" for him. I've been asked to "deal" with a coyote (or several) that have been sneaking through his corn field to snatch his chickens that are picking at bugs along the edges. When the weather cools just a little, I'll be aiming my FoxPro...and my .223 at that field edge. :)
 
Foxer2373 said:
Looking for sugesstions I've only ever used high end night vision I know nothing of value night vision looking to spend under 1k if possible. If not I'd just save up and buy some gen 2+ stuff.
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Interesting. Probably something like the ATN wfi scope deal would be in your budget, I guess there's a couple options at that price point, though for a .22 I'd want smaller magnification, like 2-10X maybe for shooting varmints with lower powered .22 rounds, I wouldn't look for a 4-12 power personally, it would work, but your circumstances may suit different.

I just wouldn't want to try and find something in the dark with a narrow field of view with a 4 power scope, say an animal within 30 feet, but further ranges would probably be fine, and may not be an issue for you.

As for rifles with low powered ammo, yeah the semi's may not feed well, if your spending $1K on glass, the CZ would probably be great or savage MKII bolt fed actions. If you do want a semi I have a MIG.22 in the EE but havent tried lower powered ammo, sorry for the sales pitch. The semi's seem to be just a little quieter than the bolt actions I think, probably their gas systems eat a little concussion.

There may be an ATN on the EE right now, they go in the $700-900 range.
 
Can-down said:
I think he means quiet as in less loud then center fire ..... Not primer only gallery type "quiet" cartridges.
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Yes meaning currently I am using a custome 870 with ported barrel lol!!!

If a decent .22 or 17 option isn't there I can use a bolt or TC pro hunter .223 just thought I'd ask first it there was a decent option. Not looking for silencer or no ear pro Quiet just not a 500+ yard crack but a pop at that distance.
 
lone-wolf said:
There's a subsonic .22wmr coming out by winchester. 45gr bullet iirc.
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That would be be fun and more effective non-long range pest control.

The tangfolio bullpup would be fun in that caliber, I believe the .22 wmr's pack about twice the mass of the .22 longs or shorts. Youd probably have to order it through irunguns or prophet though.

If just keeping the noise moderate is the range, you could go with a .223 and get one of the grizzly gunworks noise re-directors (llok it up, they're legal apparently) but I think for shooting at night, .22 rim fires are probably smarter.
 
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