Eley/Remington Match vs CCI SV range report.... Is Eley worth the extra money?

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So after my last rainy Outlaw Rimfire PRS match I disassembled and re-assembled my CZ 457 XRS. The only changes I made was the torque value of the chassis bolts from 30 in/lb to 35 in/lb and a new thread protector I made.

I wanted to try out the Eley Match but my supplier only has the Eley/Remington Match in-stock and assured me it's the same stuff but with Remington's name printed on the package so I purchased a brick to give it a try and made sure he has at least 5000 round of the same LOT# in-stock if the range results are good.

The florescent dots are 0.5"

July 23, 2021 @ 8:00 pm till I couldn't see my targets and the wind conditions was perfect... calm, no breeze at all. Disregard the Tuna Can test targets. Test for group size, slow and controlled, no Tuna Can, just the thread protector. Eley/Remington Match Average - 0.363"

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July 24, 2021 @ 7:00 am the conditions was perfect for my Tuna Can testing but come 9:00 am the wind conditions started to pick up and in came the rain and remained that way for the rest of the day. I need to do more testing and create a graph.

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July 25, 2021 @ 6:30 am the conditions was good with a slight breeze. This LOT# CCI SV in the dark blue box surprised me. Disregard the Tuna Can test targets. Test for group size, slow and controlled, no Tuna Can, just the thread protector: Average - 0.349"

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So... is it worth the extra cost for this lot # Eley/Remington Match??? The Eley/Remington Match will cost $1689.40 for 5000 rds with an average groups size of 0.363". I bought 5000 rds of these CCI SV in the dark blue box for $610.18 with a average group size of 0.349". For sure I will be saving this LOT of CCI SV for my future Rimfire PRS matches and it looks like I can shoot them without the Tuna Can.

Next week is the long weekend and if all goes well with my schedule I will be testing my other LOT of CCI SV in the new light bluish and orange packaging. I don't recall ever getting results like this from my past LOT of CCI SV. Did I get lucky with this LOT of CCI SV? Was it the new higher chassis bolt torque value or is it the result from the new thread protector and the barrel harmonics is now perfect? Many questions to answer and more testing to be conducted but with a group size average of 0.349" I'll will skip further testing and save the remaining 4000 rds for future PRS matches. However, I will have to do a few test groups at 100 yards to see how they perform.

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Stay Tuned...
 
You have 15 out 21 at 1/2" with the eley and 10 outa 17 with cci,my math ain't great but the match is more accurate but at what cost.depends on your funds,if the hangman ain't a calling,buy some eley match.
 
Oldly said:
You have 15 out 21 at 1/2" with the eley and 10 outa 17 with cci,my math ain't great but the match is more accurate but at what cost.depends on your funds,if the hangman ain't a calling,buy some eley match.
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Don't count the targets involving the Tuna Can, they're in different league of their own. I'm calculating the groups without the barrel tuner.

Eley is 10 x 5 and the CCI is unfortunately 9 x 5.

To be be fair and cherry pick I'll omit the Eley 0.664" group for a 9 x 5 for an average group of 0.330". Not a bad looking average now. But does it warrant a $1079.00 difference for the occasional PRS match? Maybe, maybe not....
 
Shabazz said:
CCI SV continues to impress, some of the best value for money target ammo out there. Did you compare them at any other distances?
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Not this weekend. I plan to test for groups at 100 yards with my Shooting Chrony set up for numbers. I've got 100 rds of the Eley/Remington left and will probably finish them off with 100 yard groups accompanied by chronograph numbers.

This will be depended on wind conditions. Won't waste the ammo if I'm trying for best groups. I need more trees along my shooting lane to block the wind....
 
I’m facing the same quandary. At 100 I’m thinking the 1/2” improvement in group size doesn’t do much for me from a Rimfire prs point of view. The 8” CCISV vertical at 200 and 16”+ at 300 is the problem. Once I test the Eley Match and Tenex out there I hope the vertical tightens up a bit with lower ES. A circular group would be wonderful. Then the question is whether or not a match chambered 1:12 barrel is the way to go.
 
Lots of CCI SV cannot be repeated as the numbers on the boxes only mean something to CCI.
The chance of getting a good lot of CCI SV is equal to the chance of getting a bad lot.
Testing boxes of the Remington Eley Match gave me what I wanted.
Target Shooting Products assured me they had case lots of the ammo I was testing in the 1062 +/- range.
The testing of four different lots occurred within two weeks and my order over a period of time my have been around 10,000 rounds.
All testing was done with a complete box and poor performance was scrapped early in 30 to 40 rounds.
All testing was done at 100 yards without the tuner.
A five round group tells me virtually nothing. My standard remains as five 10-round groups.
If your standards are met with CCI SV then stick with that.
 
CCI SV is 'plinking' ammo, not match ammo.. I use it to sight in on paper, and you could probably use it with in a short range Outlaw match... I wouldn't bother shooting 150m+
 
Good shooting ROC.

I'm really curious to see what the chrono numbers show.

I have a lot of CCI SV that has a SD of 12, but my Bergara doesn't like it.

My match ammo has single digit SDs.
 
On average, the majority of CCI SV is not comparable to the majority of match ammo. CCI SV is standard velocity but the comparison may as well stop there. Few if any seriously use it for serious accuracy shooting. But if it works for you, who's to argue. Be aware, however, that buying CCI SV by lot may not always be possible, and that there can be variation within the same lot of ammo.

That's not to say, however, that all match ammo is better. It will and does vary by lot. Two or three years ago I bought four bricks of Remington Eley Match because it was available for a very good price. (It looked like it was more than a few years old when I got it, and the ammo distributor was making it available at a good price to clear it out.) I took a chance on the lot I would get. As it turns out, the lot of Remington Eley Match I got was the poorest shooting match ammo I've ever had. I tried it in several different Anschutz rifles. No good results with any of them. I still have some of this ammo.

At the same time, some shooters have had very good fortune with their Remington Eley Match as horseman2's experience confirms.
 
grauhanen said:
On average, the majority of CCI SV is not comparable to the majority of match ammo. CCI SV is standard velocity but the comparison may as well stop there. Few if any seriously use it for serious accuracy shooting. But if it works for you, who's to argue. Be aware, however, that buying CCI SV by lot may not always be possible, and that there can be variation within the same lot of ammo.

That's not to say, however, that all match ammo is better. It will and does vary by lot. Two or three years ago I bought four bricks of Remington Eley Match because it was available for a very good price. (It looked like it was more than a few years old when I got it, and the ammo distributor was making it available at a good price to clear it out.) I took a chance on the lot I would get. As it turns out, the lot of Remington Eley Match I got was the poorest shooting match ammo I've ever had. I tried it in several different Anschutz rifles. No good results with any of them. I still have some of this ammo.

At the same time, some shooters have had very good fortune with their Remington Eley Match as horseman2's experience confirms.
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My shooting partner and I tested Eley Remington Match 1115-02210 earlier this year and it had really good ES/SD, but unfortunately neither rifle really shot well with it.
 
My shooting partner and I tested Eley Remington Match 1115-02210 earlier this year and it had really good ES/SD, but unfortunately neither rifle really shot well with it.

Interesting because my go to ammo is lot number 1115-02209 and I tested four lots in close proximity to those lot numbers.
There were probably 30 to 35 thousand rounds made from the billet of lead in my lot number and all that happened after mine was changing the lead billet plus adding more powder to the hopper.
 
horseman2 said:
Interesting because my go to ammo is lot number 1115-02209 and I tested four lots in close proximity to those lot numbers.
There were probably 30 to 35 thousand rounds made from the billet of lead in my lot number and all that happened after mine was changing the lead billet plus adding more powder to the hopper.
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For the general reader, lot number proximity isn't restricted to a different billet of lead for the bullets or adding more powder to the hopper. Just about every component that goes into producing the ammo is categorized by some kind of "lot" or something similar. A new lot begins every time the machinery is shut down, at the end of a shift or the end of a day. A new lot begins when a different lot of wire is used for bullets. Each lot of bullets, for example, is made with exactly the same tooling and punch. When that tooling is adjusted or the punch replaced, a new lot of ammo is the result. Something similar happens when casings are produced and used, as with priming and powder.

During the manufacturing process, each time the machinery needs to be adjusted, it calls for a new lot assignation to be made. It really is quite complicated. As a result many different lots of match ammo are produced and they may be quite different from each other; and, as noted earlier, there are relatively small quantities made of any one lot of match ammo. Less expensive varieties can be made in lot quantities many, many times that of match ammo.

And it's worth noting, as Johnny Boom does above, a small ES and low SD are not guarantors of how the ammo will perform. There's more to ammo performance down range than the consistency of the velocities with which they leave the muzzle.
 
It was a nice morning for a quick range report on the other LOT of CCI SV in the light bluish box. Not as consistent as the dark blue box.

100 yard groups with chrony numbers soon to follow...

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When shooting for groups like that I usually adjust my scope so I have a consistent point of aim for each group. Where on the dot do you hold?
 
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