Elite 3200 10x40 on M305, Good Idea?

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Hi all, I'm on the list for the next M305 shippment.
I've got a bunch of plans for this new tool but I still can't decide what kind of scope to get.
Would the Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 on M305 be overkill for hunting and range use?
What kind of non aluminum base should I look for, especially on a budget?
I appreciate all input as I'm a newb to the rifle and scope as well.



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I've got mine set up with a elite 3200 3-9x40 , pretty standard for my hunting anyways. I have a 6 to 18 x 50 i thought about playing around with too.... bummer we gots no gophers round these parts hehehe :D
 
10x40 - the "sniper" model?
kinda' heavy. Mildot is good, glass is acceptable, BUT : for hunting the straight 10x is too much.

Look up for the average distance the game you're after is shot at, and if it is less than 100 yds, forget it.

a variable - like 45acpking said - is more suitable for your kind of needs.
If straight power is what you're after than a 4x or 6x is all you need.
It is a good idea for the beating the scope is taking on a M14......

Take a look at the IOR tactical line. I'm happy with mine, - M1 4x24. 308 BDC - M9
 
I'm running that scope on my M1A, no problems, went with some A.R.M.S. throw levers.The 1" inserts were a bit of a pain but other than that the scope is fine.
 
mildot said:
I'm running that scope on my M1A, no problems, went with some A.R.M.S. throw levers.The 1" inserts were a bit of a pain but other than that the scope is fine.
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He said he was on a budget... when you say ARMS, you are no longer on a budget!
 
The Springfield model Standard M1A would be the most budgeted & available for a scope mount/base...Also, would fit well with an Elite 3200 10x40.
 
That's what's on mime :cool: I love it :D

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sixty9santa:

I've used almost every single mount for the M14 over the past 2X (1981) years and I've learned (the hard way) not to cut corners anymore...ever. You will only be disappointed in yourself and your gear.

To make things worse, you will lose confidence in your bangstick and your optics when all along was a cheesy pot metal interface.

The Bushnell Elite 3200 10X is one of my favorite scopes for budget considerations. I've got one on my M700 .223 Groundhog gitter. You cannot go wrong with this unit any way you slice it.

Now regarding rings... some people have had great success with Burris Z Rings. I've had success with Millett Angle-Locs (some people hate 'em). Better yet, all my gold medals at the DCRA NSCC Nationals were won with a pair of Millett Angle-Locs on my AR Flattop. I ain't in a position to complain. Milletts are cheap enough to keep ONE of each height (low, med, high) in your parts box while experimenting with scope height on your M14 mount or any other Picatinny rail or Weaver mount.

Anyways as always, work with your budget and save up for the best M14 mount you can afford... frankly, I'm a staunch believer in the ARMS # 18... had my best results at 800 yards with that baby.

Cheers,
Barney
 
Hungry said:
sixty9santa:
Anyways as always, work with your budget and save up for the best M14 mount you can afford... frankly, I'm a staunch believer in the ARMS # 18... had my best results at 800 yards with that baby.
Barney
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I am also on the Marstar M-305 "list".

Say I was looking at the ARMS 18 from Wolverine along with the Bushnell 3200 Scope 3-10x40 which is the short action version (do I actually need the short action on a M-305 or can I go with the regular version?). What ARMS rings would be most appropriate? Do the Bushnell scopes take 1" rings? Can't find the reference for this. I assume so.

Yes, the Bushnell 3200 Series are a 1" tube. You can select any scope you want. Action length ? All the scopes will fit on top of a M14. Don't sweat it. 1" rings ? Don't spend a lot of money ... then again, I don't know you... you could be one of those rich kids with trust funds... yuk yuk

Related question: are "throw lever rings meant to go on and off regularly, i.e. to protect the scope during transport, or to shoot using the iron sights? Is that the advantage over regular "fixed" rings?

The Throw Lever Rings are great for other applications and optics such as : Night Vision, Red dot sights, Thermal sights, beer bottle opener, etc. Not to mention LCV (look cool value)... They are great if you need to swap say, the scope for a Trijicon just in case you have to dismount from you LAV3.5 or M2 Bradley and engage some insurgents in CQB scenario with your Trijicon ACOG TA31F RCO M4 USMC Dooohickey. Otherwise, save your money and buy the ARMS # 18... that's the best use of your money. Hey, I ain't rich, OKAY ??

Can you still use the iron sights with the ARMS 18 mount? Is the mount meant to go on and off? Remember now, I don't have a clue in this regard...yet. :confused:

The beauty of the ARMS # 18 mount is that the scope's line of sight is kept low to the cheekpiece/stock instead of playing "turtleneck" with your optics. YOU must remove the scope and rings to use iron sights. Hopefully you will never need your iron sights.

So, if I presume correctly (big risk there), I would need for Bushnell 3200 Scope 3-10x40 on a M-305:

ARMS#18 - M21/M14 Mount Foundation
Ring Inserts Pair (30mm - 1 inch) #37
and then Throw lever rings #22, though which, low med, or high?

Buy what works for your budget and YOUR shooting game.


Anything else I should think about?

Yes, buy a bunch of ammo and practice for my Service Rifle matches. Use your bangstick for more than just "ricing" or "bling" factor!! yuk yuk yuk HUNGRY, OUT !


Your collective wisdom and advice would be much appreciated.
 
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Yes, the Bushnell 3200 Series are a 1" tube. You can select any scope you want. Action length ? All the scopes will fit on top of a M14. Don't sweat it. 1" rings ? Don't spend a lot of money ... then again, I don't know you... you could be one of those rich kids with trust funds... yuk yuk

Nope, I got to work for my money. Now some of my clients, they got trust funds. Better not to be born with too much money, IMHO. :)

The Throw Lever Rings are great for other applications and optics such as : Night Vision, Red dot sights, Thermal sights, beer bottle opener, etc. Not to mention LCV (look cool value)... They are great if you need to swap say, the scope for a Trijicon just in case you have to dismount from you LAV3.5 or M2 Bradley and engage some insurgents in CQB scenario with your Trijicon ACOG TA31F RCO M4 USMC Dooohickey. Otherwise, save your money and buy the ARMS # 18... that's the best use of your money. Hey, I ain't rich, OKAY ??

OK, so unless I am swapping my scope for other sighting systems as you describe regularly, then regular rings will work.

So, if I presume correctly (big risk there), I would need for Bushnell 3200 Scope 3-10x40 on a M-305:
ARMS#18 - M21/M14 Mount Foundation
Ring Inserts Pair (30mm - 1 inch) #37
and then Throw lever rings #22, though which, low med, or high?

Buy what works for your budget and YOUR shooting game.

Granted, but my question really was any idea which ring set would work for a 40mm Bushnell? Let me guess, maybe a medium set?

Thanks Hungry for the advice!
 
Any mount for the M14 will leave you shztloads of space for large objective scopes... I mounted my Leupold LR/T 6.5x20x50mm Mark 4 M1 on the M14 using LOW Millett Angle-Loc rings. I had lots of room left over to contact the handguard.

So ring height on the M14... go LOW, as low as you can go with your Bushnell and 40mm objective.

Cheers,
Barney
 
Hungry said:
Any mount for the M14 will leave you shztloads of space for large objective scopes... I mounted my Leupold LR/T 6.5x20x50mm Mark 4 M1 on the M14 using LOW Millett Angle-Loc rings. I had lots of room left over to contact the handguard.

So ring height on the M14... go LOW, as low as you can go with your Bushnell and 40mm objective.

Cheers,
Barney
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Yeah, I've done the math and am most concerned with the eyepiece clearing the rear iron site on the M14. The ARMCO mount height plus the ultra low ring height should be enough with a 40mm scope to clear the front objective. But, it's that rear site!

For those of you with a M-305/M14 - can somebody measure the height of the rear sight over the height of the top of the front hand guard?

I have also sent an email to Wolverine asking them which rings I need (low or med) for the proposed setup.

Many thanks and hope to see you at the range!

Now, all I need is Marstar to get Norinco to get that rusty ship to move!!
 
I went with the Bushnell 4200 6-24X40 (mildot with semi-target turrets) - model 42-6242P for my "distance" M14S.

A little more expensive than the 3200 10X40 mildot but I love it.

Everybody told me to get a Leupold VX-III LR (With Target Turrets - $1200.00 brand new) but I went with the 4200($580.00 brand new).

I later did buy a VX-III($700.00 used) and to be honest I'm happy I bought the 4200 originally because it has stood up well to the M14 "beating" and IMO the visuals through both scopes are about the same.

Mind you I'm not trashing the Leupold, it's a quality product, but bang-for-the-buck goes to the Bushnell 4200.
 
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