Enemy at The Gates

[drache]

Just started watching this because I just bought a Mosin

Anyone else notice that the rifle you see the kid and grandfather using to shoot at the wolf is actually a "Sniper variant" Mosin? I didn't notice that before

 

[Ducimus]

Checkering?

 

[Magellann]

Never noticed that, and Ive seen that movie a few times, its one of my favorites.

 

[JTF#]

were there Hex snipers?

 

[kennymo]

Huh, wonder how they snuck that away from the Red Army?
Maybe his old man was a WWI deserter, there were certainly enough of those around.

 

[desporterizer]

Its a movie prop folks! Probably a century put together pu job that had been sporterized.

 

[Nabs]

Did the Russian army in WW1 have a Mosin M1891 with telescopic sights ?

 

[drache]

Its a movie prop folks! Probably a century put together pu job that had been sporterized.

You can tell that by the front sight which isn't a Mosin sight at all.

And I don't mean it's an ACTUAL sniper rifle, just that it was set up to accept a scope mount that the armorer removed

 

[Mark-II]

were there Hex snipers?

Yep. Different scope n different mount in the 1930s. It bolted on to the top of the receiver.

 

[kennymo]

Did the Russian army in WW1 have a Mosin M1891 with telescopic sights ?

A quick google reveals nothing, but I did find out a single Steyr M95 was reportedly subjected to firing 50 000 rounds of ammunition without cleaning or lubrication during torture testing prior to accepting the design. I guess Glock wasn't the first Austrian to come up with a reliable design....

 

[fred0000]

Checkering?

that's the only thing I spotted that was odd aswell, interesting. might have to watch it again to see if I can catch a better look at the overall rifle.

 

[Nabs]

A quick google reveals nothing, but I did find out a single Steyr M95 was reportedly subjected to firing 50 000 rounds of ammunition without cleaning or lubrication during torture testing prior to accepting the design. I guess Glock wasn't the first Austrian to come up with a reliable design....

Hard to believe as I doubt any service rifles from the period ever reached that amount of use. I am pretty sure the bore would be shot out by then but you just never know.

 

[kennymo]

Did the Russian army in WW1 have a Mosin M1891 with telescopic sights ?

The concensus on some other forums from previous discussion on the subject would seem to be no. The Russian Army, though one of the largest in Europe at the time, was so utterly disorganized and lacking in training at the time of the war I can't see them being able to put together a thoroughly proper sniper training program anyways.
I was doing some reading the other day, an interesting fact, little of the military aid the Allies sent to Russia during the First World War actually reached the front. Britain sent a group to Russia in 1916 to investigate why things on the Eastern Front were such an unholy mess. To their shock they discovered most of the 1500 tons per day of military munitions being sent to Russia still sitting in storage at the port. Turns out the port was only equipped to send 200 tons per day inland, resulting in a backlog of epic proportions. This would seem to be standard operating procedure for most of the Russian Army in the early part of the century.

 

[kennymo]

Hard to believe as I doubt any service rifles from the period ever reached that amount of use. I am pretty sure the bore would be shot out by then but you just never know.

They didn't say that it was still accurate, just that it was still shooting. And I think that was off Wikipedia, so I'd err on the side of caution before claiming it as fact. Interesting if even remotely close to true though. Some more reading required I think.

* Further ####ing around uncovers mention of the 50,000 rounds through a single M95 without lubrication in several other places with no mention of where exactly the info comes from. If anyone can enlighten us on further details it'd be pretty cool. I'd like to know if they swapped out parts or anything of the like. I recall reading up on some Gardner Gun trials by the US Navy that fired obscene amounts of ammunition, but there were several breaks to change out worn extractors and the like.
Also sorry this is now ridiculously off topic.

 

[Nabs]

Thank you for the information on the Russian munitions situation, I didn't know they had supply restrictions and it would explain why they were so under equipped at the front as well.

I do have an M95 rifle, I guess we will have to see how close I can get. I just can't see them firing 50,000 or so rounds through a single rifle as ammunition was expensive to produce back then. I have a feeling the 50,000 or so number was a projection based on a series of smaller shooting tests.