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Hi guys, got a dumb question re: the convertions of the Enfield #4 Mk I* into the 22cal C no 7.

besides the sights, magazine, barrel and bolt, which I know is lot, what else was changed what the 303 cal enfield was coverted into the 22 cal C no 7. did this new rifle use the same front sights, stock, trigger, mag release, etc.

Thanks
Mark
 
Hi Mark.You pretty much nailed it.R.sight is different.Bolt is same,but for the striker rod,bolthead,extractor,and firing pin.The only other difference I can recall is the foresight block.The No4 block was relieved to accomodate the bayonet lugs on the barrel.The CNo7 block was'nt because there are no bayo lugs on the .22 barrel.The No4 block can be used,but it must be secured to prevent rotational movement on the barrel.This can be done by drilling thru the bottom of the block,tapping the hole,and installing a set screw.Did this once in the absence of the proper Cno7 block.The barrel should be shallow drilled to accomodate the set screw.This is all covered up by the foresight protector.The Ordnance Catalogue of June 1959 shows a different part# for the 2 blocks.So does the CASM for the CNo7 dated Feb 1964.
 
Prices have certainly gone up.
Have both the Canadian and Brirish versions with the chests.
Also a No8 which, because it is post 1945 was supposed to not be importable as a curio and relic.
However there were some No8's in a shipment of No7's and the BATF didn't look all the way to the bottom of the crate.LOL
 
Barrels are the same profile other than the lugs as mentioned before.

The receivers also have a slight difference. The Cno7 has a small #3-48 threaded hole on the right side for a screw which holds a spring plate in place. The little spring plate is what gives the sight windage it's clicks. Also, there is a small line stamped on the left side of the windage screw which acts as a graduation mark.

I have a copy of a CFTO from around 1960 which details converting the no4 receiver over to Cno7 use if no receivers were available.
 
I remember talking to a Saskatchewan target shooter and gunsmith who used a CNo.7 barrel and receiver for a long range rifle in .223. There was a time when the Lee Enfield actions were the only rifles that would hold the bullseye at 8, 9, 1000 yds. Not so in the last 20 yrs. Supposedly they whip in just the right sinewave to plonk them in.
 
C No 7

MLE,

It would seem that the twist on the C No 7 barrel was a bit shy for the job.

Now, if you had a nice 9" twist barrel (in 5.56), and a few other mods, the C No 7 action might have been used to scare some 7.62 shooters to death in years past. Something like this could have been the buzz in Bldg. 47 at Connaught.-)
 
Isn't that the bachelar shack that go torn down a few years ago? That was where I saw Bill Wylde's ceramic barrel - or so he said. He had a Savage in a Choate sniper stock. Positively hideous gangley black plastic affair to look at, but boy did it shoot for him.

Yes I think you would be right about the twist.
 
MLE,

The old summer home is now gone. No idea of what replaced it.

Jim Thompson, in his daily report to the Fullbore list, initiated the ceramic barrel rumor. It started worldwide controversy.:)

The positively hideous gangley black plastic affair was a homegrown sleeved 700 Rem., and a direct decendent of what is now known as a Tubegun. Bill Hall (less than affectionately) named that rifle "The Mongrel".

To stay on topic, I have a C No 7 for each of my four Grandchildren.

Regards to you and your father.
 
A gravel pad replaced that amazing old hut. As impersonal and old-fashioned as it was, there was a lot to learn from hanging out there.

The Fullbore List! That is an old timer from Interweb history. Gordie H had a call from Sasktel because he'd subscribed and not read them for a while. Charles what's his name from Scotland used 'reply to all' with some innane rejoinder that meant nothing but recreated a new message. Sasktel was concerned because Gordie was hogging the whole province's email storage space with a few thousand unread messages if you can believe it.

PM me, so I can tell my dad your name in a few weeks when we see him.
 
I'm the guy that built and shot that positively hideous gangley black plastic affair with the ceramic barrel.:)

I stay in touch with Charles Young. Also communicate with Gord now and then. Gord was here about two years ago with a phone/computer that you could hold in your palm. It would drive me nuts to use that little stylus to type a message!

ATB
 
Read the stencollector piece in the MILSURP Knowledge Library. I'd like to add that Long Branch manufactured additional receivers in 1953.Don't know about complete rifles or any receivers made in other post-war years.I bought a new in grease receiver from the long vanished Globe Firearms in Vanier,ON back in spring 1977(paid $12.50 from the bill of sale).It was parkerized and unserialized and the markings on the left side of the receiver read :
C No 7:22IN..MK.I
Long Branch
1953

That was a worthwhile shopping trip.A gun nut buddy and I drove down to LETE in Orleans from Mobile Command HQ in St.Hubert that day to do an acceptance check on a prototype CP annex for the then new 5/4 ton truck. We detoured to Globe afterwards where I also bought a set of new Cdn military "go"/"no-go" gauges,a new firing pin protrusion gauge,and a plug gauge for the bore,a couple of forestocks and a set of matching handguards. Total for all incl the receiver was a tad over $30. I was after a C No7 barrel that day,but they could'nt locate one in the rat's nest storage area.I did get one on a later trip for $12 or $15. I often wonder what happened to Globe's inventory.Last time I was there was around 1986 before going overseas for the next 3 yrs. When I got back to Ottawa they were no more.
 
Connaught

Hardy said:
Can you draw a map of where that old hut was,I remember a few partys at a few old huts that are now gone.the old water tower is also now gone
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The Bachelor Block in Connaught was a T-shaped uninsulated wood frame building at right angles to the firing points. The building in question was southwest from the back doors of the kitchen towards the tent lines, and in line with the new DCRA offices. The old mess hall is still there, although the dining rooms and kitchen has been replaced with a new facility. It is in fact a reassembled old railway station. There was a second storage building to the north, and a dry canteen to the south.

The water tower came down as part of a long overdue infrastructure program. The camp is now connected to the municipal water and sewage system with all the appropriate controls, pumps and testing. The water tower was very much superfluous after the connections were made.
 
I remember the "ceramic" barrel. There must have been problems with the material, though, because the next time I saw it there appeared to stress cracks in it.... either that or spider webby fine point marker lines.
 
The old "Mongrel" rifle was always a work in progress. First the stress cracking.............Later the red paint on the muzzle. Can't believe that it wasn't featured on the front of a gun rag of the day.:runaway:

Today the old "Mongrel" leans against a wall in the basement. The ceramic barrel has been returned to it, without change. Always a reminder of Farky's original meaning of F Class.
 
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