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Vimy Ridge

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I need to replace a backsight axis pin retaining pin on a No.4 rifle. I understand it should be 0.023 inch in diameter and 0.3 inch in length and be made of steel. What can be used as a replacement and where would I get it? I don't necessarily need an original pin, but I have no idea where to buy steel rods of this tiny size that could be cut to the right length. Any ideas? What have you used?

Thanks in advance. Vimy
 
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Is that the tiny little cross pin? I found some at Districorp in Montreal. A sliver of a little thing as I recall, I ordered to go into a bigger shipment. No telling when I'll have one jump off and hide itself. Go to the website and spend $30-$40 supporting a small Canadian gun business.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
Is that the tiny little cross pin? I found some at Districorp in Montreal. A sliver of a little thing as I recall, I ordered to go into a bigger shipment. No telling when I'll have one jump off and hide itself. Go to the website and spend $30-$40 supporting a small Canadian gun business.

Yes it's the tiny cross pin that holds in the axis pin, which in turn secures the backsight leaf.

See pic:
1) axis pin
2) axis pin retaining pin
3) plunger (there is no 3 marked in the pic)
4) plunger spring
5) collar
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I'll give Districorp a call, they don't have them listed on their website, but I'll give it a go anyway, thanks maple_leaf_eh!
 
... Years ago I had to replace one of the "little B.....s " that escaped ! 'Used a very small drill bit.... not sure where I picked it up, but broke it to length in a vise. ...... David K. ......:canadaFlag:
 
Go to a music store, one that sells stuff for pianos. Or, better yet, call a piano repairman.

There IS a size of steel music wire that is .023" in diameter........ I have some here....... got it from a friend who is a piano-tuner!

OR PM me with an address and I'll send you maybe even a whole INCH: definitely enough to keep your Number 4 running for a century or so.

Rosses are SO much better....... no fiddlies like this....... .
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
Is that the tiny little cross pin? I found some at Districorp in Montreal. A sliver of a little thing as I recall, I ordered to go into a bigger shipment. No telling when I'll have one jump off and hide itself. Go to the website and spend $30-$40 supporting a small Canadian gun business.

Unfortunately, they no longer have them in stock. Thanks anyway.

Dark Alley Dan said:
Try this feller:
http://www.customscrewsandmore.com/
Sweetheart of a guy, and probably knows exactly the pin you're looking for.
Good luck, bud.
Dan

Good idea, I've dealt with him before, forgot all about Scott! I've sent him an email, I may order a couple, anyone else in for one? I'd be willing to order a bunch. PM me if you do.

smellie said:
Go to a music store, one that sells stuff for pianos. Or, better yet, call a piano repairman.
There IS a size of steel music wire that is .023" in diameter........ I have some here....... got it from a friend who is a piano-tuner!
OR PM me with an address and I'll send you maybe even a whole INCH: definitely enough to keep your Number 4 running for a century or so.
Rosses are SO much better....... no fiddlies like this....... .

Piano wire eh? ;) Maybe I'll have to owe you a favour!
 
Reply from Mr. Stonehill:

The pins you want are much bigger than that (.023") they are .056" Which is a 17 gage British Imperial wire gage diameter which is quite small enough thank you. there is also a close equivalent Stubs gage (used for wire gage drills and such) that calls for a gage 54 which is .055" and a gage 53 which is .058 which i think you will find to be too large to install without bending it. If you go to Music wire which is the only thing I have been able to locate, you end up with a 24 gage music wire which is also a .055 diameter. I do not have any right now, but am getting an order up for some other items from one of my suppliers, that can supply the music wire. I will order a quantity of it in straight 12 inch lengths, and try it in some of the axis pins and see how they fit. I have found some variance in the holes as well so they may be loose in some holes which might be a case for the larger .058 diameter except that music wire comes in .059 instead of .058. (is your head hurting yet??) It is not all that cheap so I hate to order a package and find I cant use it although it would not be a huge thing to spin them in the lathe and polish them to fit. I have been making them on the lathe and they are way too time consuming to make for what I can ask for them to sell. A ready to use wire is the way to go. I will do some more checking and thinking (after my head quits hurting) and see if I want to go with the .055 or the .059, and polish them down. If I get the smaller size and they fall out I won't be able to really use the rest of it. Although they can be slightly upset which will keep them from falling out. The old British wire gages are probably not going to be an easy option even in Britain. No one would really make a firm standard and stick with it.
Regards,
Scott

Piano Wire, it seems, is the way to go!
 
Is it the small tapered pin that secures the rear sight axis?
I make them from a small finishing nail or piece of stiff wire that I taper in this manner: I get some emery cloth (a piece of about 2x5'') and fold it in half with the abrasive inside.
I tape the edges to form a small pocket and I use it to shape the pin like you shape a long taper on automatic pencil leads for photoretouching: twirl, push and pull the nail repeatedly between your fingers, inside the emery cloth.
This will give you a small taper on the pin, exactly what you need to wedge it tight into the axis pin's end hole.
You'll never lose it again.
PP.
 
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