Enfield no4 mk1* marking

Ced1942

Ced1942

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Hi everyone

i just aquired my first rifle, which is a really nice savage no4 mk1*. As i dissasembled the rifle to clean all the cosmoline, i tried to make a little research on no4 marking, only to find my rifle lack a few of them and got some strange other marking in place. If anyone saw those once, care to enlighten me as what they mean?

https://ibb.co/g9LhD7
This one is where the barrel serial number is suposed to be, it is non-existent and on top of the chamber got those strange arrow
https://ibb.co/iVXvY7
This one is the lower wood piece right under the front sight
https://ibb.co/hOP9t7
Again, on this one you can see what look like CNN on the metal piece
https://ibb.co/mknUt7
The savage marking on the receiver side
https://ibb.co/ct9L0n
Serial behind the trigger
https://ibb.co/meT2D7
What look like B/66, right behind the trigger guard on the stock piece
https://ibb.co/dMCjRS
And this one is straight on top of the stock

If i understand the serial right, its the 1 024 159th rifle to roll out savage factory, make it about mid 1944
But all those other marking got me in the dark so any help telling me what those mean would be great

Thanks alot
Ced1942
 
IronCanadian said:
Maybe I'm just daft, but isn't that a Longbranch stamp below the SN on the wrist?

https://ibb.co/ct9L0n

and C Broadarrow marks?

https://ibb.co/g9LhD7
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All Savages have a B inspection marking on the wrist.

Those are C> canadian property stamps.

The paint confuses me though. (blowing up the picture, it appears that what I took for paint is probably grease).
 
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Lee Enfield said:
All Savages have a B inspection marking on the wrist.

Those are C> canadian property stamps.

The paint confuses me though.
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The wood is still soaked in cosmoline might explain the color

So a savage made that the canadian gov took possesion? I got those clear US property on the side of the receiver
 
Ced1942 said:
Hi everyone

i just aquired my first rifle, which is a really nice savage no4 mk1*. As i dissasembled the rifle to clean all the cosmoline, i tried to make a little research on no4 marking, only to find my rifle lack a few of them and got some strange other marking in place. If anyone saw those once, care to enlighten me as what they mean?

https://ibb.co/g9LhD7
This one is where the barrel serial number is suposed to be, it is non-existent and on top of the chamber got those strange arrow
Savage Barrels and Long Branch Barrels (after early 1942) were not serial numbered, The C^ on the receiver designates Canadian Military property
https://ibb.co/iVXvY7
This one is the lower wood piece right under the front sight
This is a Long Branch forend
https://ibb.co/hOP9t7

Again, on this one you can see what look like CNN on the metal piece
CCM (Canada Cycle & Motor Co. Ltd.), the same company that today makes hockey equipment.
https://ibb.co/mknUt7
This is a Long Branch forend
The savage marking on the receiver side
https://ibb.co/ct9L0n

Serial behind the trigger
https://ibb.co/meT2D7
The "B" is marked on ALL Savage rifles, it is not a Long Branch marking.
What look like B/66, right behind the trigger guard on the stock piece
https://ibb.co/dMCjRS
This is a Long Branch butt stock
And this one is straight on top of the stock

The "N" means that the butt stock is "N"ormal length. Often "Normal Length" butt stocks were not marked, ie. if you have one that isn't marked (and the marking wasn't removed) it is a "N" length butt stock.

If i understand the serial right, its the 1 024 159th rifle to roll out savage factory, make it about mid 1944
But all those other marking got me in the dark so any help telling me what those mean would be great

Thanks alot
Ced1942
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Savage barrels always have a "Flaming Bomb" inspectors marking (sometimes very faintly stamped), sometimes they have the "II" Mk2 barrel marking, sometimes not... other than that the barrels have very limited markings - unlike Canadian and British barrels which often have multiple codes and manufacture dates (and serial numbers in the case of most British barrels).

Your rifle passed to Canadian ownership at some point and was FTR'd in Canada. That is where the Canadian Wood and the Canadian MkIII/C.Mk3 rear sight was fitted.
 
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Lee Enfield said:
Savage barrels always have a "Flaming Bomb" inspectors marking (sometimes very faintly stamped), sometimes they have the "II" Mk2 barrel marking, sometimes not... other than that the barrels have very limited markings - unlike Canadian and British barrels which often have multiple codes and manufacture dates (and serial numbers in the case of most British barrels).

Your rifle passed to Canadian ownership at some point and was FTR'd in Canada. That is where the Canadian Wood and the Canadian MkIII/C.Mk3 rear sight was fitted.
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Awesome make sense, was asking myself too why i had that fancy sight with a mk1*

Well that was really fast and really well explained thanks alot for the help its really appreciated.
 
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The OBJECT with the Number 4 Rifle was to have them ALL sporting that nice Mark 1 rear sight. The sight, though, proved slow and difficult to manufacture, so the double-peep Mark 2 came into production. Effective at 300 and 600 yards, bayonet use could render it usable at other ranges.

The Mark 2, however, was NOT the ideal, so efforts were made to produce adjustable-range rear sights which would fit the rifle. The British came up with their own Mark 3 and quickly saw the errors in its construction, put the Mark 4 into production. There was a continuing program of upgrading Number 4 rear sights on FTR and, one suspects, whenever sights better than the Mark 2 became available.

Of the substitute rear sights for the Number 4, likely the Canadian C Mark 3 is the best of the lot.
 
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