Enfields for hunting

One thing to keep in mind, When Mr Speed/Lee and Metford/Enfield put their products together to bring about the rifles we commonly group together as Lee Enfields, they were considered to be BEST RIFLES for hunters and most commoners just couldn't afford them.

The components were available to entrepreneurs just about anywhere in the world, but mostly in the UK.

The competition was for the most part commercial Mausers and in some cases, Double rifles.

There were a lot of single shot, bolt rifles, break action and falling block variants available and in most of th world that is what was used to hunt with.

Early Mauser/Lee magazine rifles were cutting edge tech when they first appeared on the markets.

Didn't take very long for both of them to garner large followings.

As for lever actions, they weren't unpopulare but they were also expensive and limited in power in some cases. That isn't saying there weren't some very powerful cartridge chamberings offered in them at the time.

If the OP is only talking about North America, lever action firearms seemed to play more of a role than they did in Europe. But to consider their impact on the rest of the world, not so much. The Russians liked the M95s enough to adopt them for their military. I believe France adopted US made lever actions for limited military use as well.

For the average commoner, IMHO it wasn't until after the early Lee Metfords had seen a few years of military service' proven themselves and later sold out of service onto the surplus markets around the world, that they became available at a price that was affordable.

I am straying a little off topic, but considering the distrustful atmosphere amongst settlers and natives post Riel Rebellion, the NWMP enforced a new ruling within Ruperts Land that lever actioned repeating rifles (Winchesters, Marlins, Ballard's, etc.)were forbidden to own as private property within the prairies of British North America.

However repeating rifles derived from Great Britain were mysteriously not subject to this same level of stern attention by the federal authorities.

Edit: I have no idea how long they enforced this regulation.
 
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I had not heard of this prohibition - I would like to hear more. The Riel Rebellion / North West Rebellion occurred in 1885. During 1920's my Grandfather, his brother, and their sons emigrated to Saskatchewan from Ontario and took up homesteads within about 55 km (35 miles) of Batoche. So far as I know, their lever action rifles were Winchesters - but we do not have them in the family for me to know for sure. Perhaps they were some other make. Where can I read more about this?
 
Maybe answered part of my own question - found on nfa.ca website - written by Allan Smithies, who is/was Research Director for the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, and W.T. Stanbury who is/was Professor Emeritus, University of British Columbia - article shows no date. No mention of lever rifles nor what NWMP might have been doing in meantime, though.

"The first serious attempt at region-wide gun control in Canada occurred after the second Riel rebellion of 1885. The federal government banned aboriginals, Métis and "disloyal" white settlers in the Northwest Territories from possessing "improved arms" (firearms with rifled barrels) and cartridge ammunition. The legislation allowed them to possess only smooth bore firearms, such as muzzle loading muskets and shotguns. ...

The legislation was passed on July 20, 1885, the same day Louis Riel stood trial for high treason. Although afraid that disarming white settlers in the region would ". . . interfere with the protection of peaceable subjects," and provoke another rebellion that the authorities could not afford to suppress, the government never proclaimed it. Nevertheless, it remained on the statute books as late as 1950."
 
1885 rebellion was a slam-dunk for the corrupt bastards in Ottawa. Seems the NWMP cleaned all the AMMO out of the stores in that area, starting about 3 weeks before the Rebellion started.

Another cartridge you would find in a Prairie hardware store in the period following the Great War was the 43 Mauser. Germany had to turn over 4,000,000 rifles under the various Treaties, so they started with the old-timer. Result was that the 43 Mauser round became well-known coast to coast and even was used in Quebec by the Papal Guard for some time.

Another point is that CIL was hooked-up with ICI (which owned Kynoch), so your local hardware could (and often did) order 577 Snider, 577/450 MH and other goodies from England. It took time and they cost like the very devil, but it could be done. My local hardware handled the MH round as well as Canadian-made 43 Mauser for many years, which accounts in part for my twisted taste in rifles!

43 Mauser was manufactured and available as loaded ammo or as components until it was all called in and destroyed when IVI got into the ammunition business. At that time I had 100 43 Mauser and 200 455 Colt brass on order...... still have not received it! IVI got the GOVERNMENT ammo contracts and pretty much IGNORED the civilian market. At one point the ONLY CF hunting round available from them was the 30-30. They produced bags of 9mm, 38 Special and 7.62 NATO but we were told those were RESTRICTED and could not be sold to mere civilians. Previously, CIL had annually put out a 32-page CATALOG of ammunition: ALL was de-listed and destroyed when IVI came in..... and then they #####ed and whined to the sky when Winchester, Remington, Federal started to take the Canadian market. Still, that did nothing for the 43 Mauser, 45-70, 44-40, 38-40, 32-40, 25 Remington, 32 Remington and FORTY others.

Did I mention that I don't like IVI? I don't. That's fair; they likely still hate ME for a certain newspaper article I wrote, back about 1979!
 
Did I mention that I don't like IVI? I don't. That's fair; they likely still hate ME for a certain newspaper article I wrote, back about 1979![/QUOTE]

I would surely love to read that article
 
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