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Afternoon all.

I need some info.
Tell me about the erma werke Rimfire M1

Quality and known issues.
Accuracy potential.
Parts availability.

I understand these have not been produced for some time, should that put me off?

Thanks for the help.
This will be a plinking and practice iron sighted rifle.
 
I picked one up from a CGN sponsor. Had some crud and surface rust. Cleaned it up good and went to the range. Runs flawlessly and I am quite impressed with the accuracy. Very deep bluing and gorgeous wood. I believe Iver Johnson used to make the civi copy in the US so parts should be available down south
 
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A little obscure, Numrich only has a few parts, mags are $60US, if something breaks it will be a paper weight.
If you are after the look, there are 10/22 kits that are not bad.
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I have 2 .
The first one pictured was from weimajack .
I had to replace the mag spring and it works great
Second one I picked up at a gun show , didn't have to do anything it works perfect .
I did replace the barrel band with NOS USGI bands with bayonet lug . also change the upper hand guard to M1 ventilated one .
1022 in a M1 stock is a poor copy of a M1 carbine & the Chiappa is worse .

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I shot one that had been imported from France with a Canadian army officer's new wife's deceased husband's effects. (Did you understand the familiar tangle?) This one had a threaded muzzle, with a nut, and along with a whole mess of European hunting gear it was imported with its original suppressor. The customs agent simply made a mistake allowing it into Canada, but the new husband asked me to see how it would fire.

I went around to a dozen gun stores and bought a couple boxes of every .22 configuration sold - BB, CB, Short, Long, Long Rifle, HV, etc. The smallest rounds did not feed from the magazine, but the longer types did. The suppressor "supposedly" worked best with the Shorts. Best compromise for power and function. But as any widely experienced shooter will agree, the mechanical clack of the action were quite noticeable. Only the lowest power rounds would not eject and make the bolt hit the breech face.

A good little gun as I recall and accurate enough compared to a 10/22.
 
picked one up from NAS a few years ago, its my favourite semi at this point. Only have the original mag but it has run flawlessly with almost any type of ammo ive put in it. Accuracy is as expected and the action feels nice as it moves, quite smooth.

It does have a small rear peep site so for those with vision issues it can be an issue
 
Where can you find extra mags for these? Numrich won't ship them to Canada. I noticed on the TripleK site they have something similar listed for the Iver Johnson M!-22, but I don't know if these will fit the Erma Werke M1-22. I've sent them an e-mail but I haven't received a response yet.
 
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Where can you find extra mags for these? Numrich won't ship them to Canada. I noticed on the TripleK site they have something similar listed for the Iver Johnson M!-22, but I don't know if these will fit the Erma Werke M1-22. I've sent them an e-mail but I haven't received a response yet.
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I have the Iver Johnson version,model EW.22HBA. Looks identical,came with 2 mags,10 and 15 rounds.
"made in west Germany" stamped on the action.
 
I have an Erma M1. As from the reading I have done, the Iver Johnson was made by Erma in the later stages of production (mine is 1974 prod.) I have bought parts from Numrich but mags are a no go to Canada. However Western Gun parts in Edmonton are great, a spare 10 rd was $45/ gulp!
My Erma has proven to be very accurate, but cycles better with higher velocity, round nose ammo.. As for information there is an M1 collectors site in the US (m1carbines.com) that has an entire sub section to the Erma as it is such a close copy of the M1. The Erma M1’s were originally made as training rifles for the police, border guards and conservation officer’s .
 
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BlackPatch said:
Afternoon all.

I need some info.
Tell me about the erma werke Rimfire M1

Quality and known issues.
Accuracy potential.
Parts availability.

I understand these have not been produced for some time, should that put me off?

Thanks for the help.
This will be a plinking and practice iron sighted rifle.
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I bought one second hand in 1971. Put about 150 rounds through it and broke the firing Pin. A Friend of mine had exactly the same Issue. Had a few Firing Pins made at a Machine Shop cant remember what I paid for but remember it hurt. Just looked for those Firing Pins now, cant find them and hope they did not get thrown out.

Cheers
 
I have the ESG .22 WMR version. The 22 Magnum is gas-operated similar to the original M1. I also have a .22lr blowback version. Very nice rifles but can be finicky with certain types of ammo.
 
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All of these rifles were manufactured by Erma Werke in W Germany. Iver Johnson just imported them and put their name on them. They will still say made in W Germany.

Parts are like hen's teeth unless you find a ruined gun for parts scavenging.

Mags are rare and very pricey.

They work well from my own past experience, but I would not recommend firing any heavy loads like mini-mags in the 22lr version. Bear in mind that, being Ermas, the action is made of alloy. I believe just the bolt face is hardened steel along with internals and barrel. Many Erma pistols have been ruined (cracked frame) shooting super hi velocity ammo.''

I know nothing about the 22WMR version nor if they changed the frame to allow for heavier forces from recoil.


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I have the ESG .22 WMR version. The 22 Magnum is gas-operated similar to the original M1. I also have a .22lr blowback version. Very nice rifles but can be finicky with certain types of ammo.
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I did not notice your post before posting the original response above.

That's interesting. I was unaware of the gas system with the 22WMR model. Obviously that would reduce the forces on the frame during recoil compared to the blowback action. Thanks for this info since I learned something!
 
I have two:

One works like a dream, I paid just under $400 for it & it was supposed to be a parts gun but I gave it to my Mom who absolutely loves it. Now the other one is extremely special but it's just a show piece as my late-grandfather made from birdseye maple, I've been looking for parts for it for what seems like forever.

Nova Tactical tried to buy a couple mags for my Mom when she brought it in, they kept getting stopped at the border when they tried to get them.
 
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_em1.html

The link above will have most of the relevant information on the rifle. It'd be hard pressed not to find what you need from there information wise. Parts for these rifles are non existent. Buying used guns and cannibalizing is the way to go on something like these as the chance of finding parts in stores is slim to non that includes magazines. The company went bankrupt in 1998 and won't be making anything else.

From what I understand don't fire high velocity 22lr through it as it can crack parts, and holding pins. Take down of the rifle for cleaning or maintenance is worse then most modern rifles. But isn't so hard as to be impossible for the average person.

Oh and these are on the list to be banned by Bill c-21 G4 Amendment. They are considered to be a M1 carbine variant.
 
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