Hey guys I'm looking to tap into the collective knowledge and experience of this forum to purchase
a 1 MOA or sub-MOA firearm, price is a non-issue. I've been looking around the internet for the past 9 months at various makes and models (bolt/semi AR10, government profile/hbar) and I'm wondering which one should I go with. This is what I want it to do:
Importance: 1st
Low jam rate above all for me this is one of the most important things as I don’t want to have a critical jam while I’m hunting in the middle of nowhere and have to get it repaired at an armorer
Heavy Barrel and reliability in various hot/cold/wet conditions for hunting
Feed various types of .308 ammunition without jams or large accuracy issues, It’s slightly the same as above but if I have to sacrifice some of the gold-standard sub-MOA that’s fine as long as it shoots well, I hear the Larue OBR has issues with factory ammo but is otherwise the best with premium (I also likely won’t be doing handloads for awhile)
Importance: 2nd
Accept silencers and not have any issues (accuracy or otherwise) in regards to using them outside of Canada where legal
Accuracy Everyone wants sub MOA but long-term I’m thinking reliability will be king for me with 1 MOA or a bit more
Weight I’d prefer to keep it under 10 pounds the only exception would be unless a much more costly military precision sniper rifle eg: PGW Coyote, FN Scar-H TPR, etc. (assuming anyone has tried them) would be significantly better with something in the importance 1st or importance 2nd section eg: reliability, accuracy
Importance 3rd
Semi auto, I’d prefer a semi-auto but in terms of everything I’m asking for above I’m willing to go bolt action if a semi-auto doesn’t fit these capabilities, I’ve heard that semi auto’s are constantly getting better but they may not be all the way there for reliability just yet.
So there’s the question, I’ve looked into a variety of Rifles from the DPMS REPR and the Savage 10/110 FCP HS Precision for the hbar, to the LWRC REPR for the use of silencers without issues (the GAP-10 having some), and the GAP-10 for accuracy with various types of .308, and the Larue OBR for accuracy with premium grade ammo. There’s a wide range of price in all of the rifles, it’s a non-issue though I wonder how all of these will function with silencers. You shouldn’t need to read the rest but there’s more to this post below...
I’ve got to say the Rifle I’m favoring now is certainly the DPMS REPR for that Hbar, 1 MOA accuracy, and being semi-auto but for an all round more reliable rifle the FN SPR A3G with a Hbar, low jam rate, and ½ MOA accuracy looks pretty good to. Or if I can go with my cheap option the Savage 10/110 FCP HS Precision and get about 1 MOA with all of these things that would be nice as my wallet will not be made of both tears and lost dreams. What’s your recommendation? Remember all of my “knowledge” is based on reviews, forums, and recommendations. Just below is one of the best comments I think I’ve heard to "What's the most accurate rifle”
“As I indicated in the previous post, I don't think there is a "best rifle." I think there are "best rifles for my application or specific requirements." That means there might be tradeoffs...for instance, you can basically count on an OBR to be sub-moa. However, most likely because it has a tight chamber to facilitate said accuracy, it is possible that it will choke on surplus or cheap ammo. By the same token, a PWS or REPR or SCAR will give you reasonable accuracy (which to me is two inches or less - mine was sub-moa) and probably be noticeably more reliable with a wide variety of ammo than a rifle that is more of a "match grade" build. Heck, George (GAP) has posted that the GAP10 doesn't like suppressors. That doesn't mean they don't run with them. It means that adding a suppressor introduces issues and variables that have a negative impact on reliability and accuracy. That's common sense, and part of why I got a (LWRC) REPR. Because of it's construction, it ran like a raped ape with a suppressor. That was one of my parameters, and I made an informed decision about which rifle was best suited. My shooting is typically over a fence post or truck hood, which makes a 1/4 moa rifle unnecessary...but most of my targets are live movers in the form of hogs or coyotes - so my focus was on reasonable accuracy with absolute reliability. On a flat range, paper is still right where you left it, so clearing a malfunction periodically is not a big deal. If I'm shotgunning a semi-auto to get it running again, then my hog is gone. Yeah, I'm outing myself there - I don't always get that first round hit.
So, buy based on a realistic evaluation of what you want or need. Not pie in the sky "I want to shoot 1000 yards..but my range only goes to 200" or "I want to shoot 1/4 moa, but I can't afford to buy good glass or match grade ammo" etc.
I'm an equal opportunity shooter - not a fanatic. I recognize the quality and versatility of the LWRC lineup, but I'm not limited to it by blind loyalty. I also own a Spike's Dissy build, a 13.7 inch Noveske build, a .308 PredatOBR 16 inch and am collecting parts for a 3gun rifle build based on a JPEnterprises 18 inch barrel. However, the PredatOBR will soon be sold to a friend, as I'm sure that the 16 inch bolt gun has similar ballistics, suppresses better and eats whatever I feed it”. - chainring on disbanded sniperhide forums
a 1 MOA or sub-MOA firearm, price is a non-issue. I've been looking around the internet for the past 9 months at various makes and models (bolt/semi AR10, government profile/hbar) and I'm wondering which one should I go with. This is what I want it to do:
Importance: 1st
Low jam rate above all for me this is one of the most important things as I don’t want to have a critical jam while I’m hunting in the middle of nowhere and have to get it repaired at an armorer
Heavy Barrel and reliability in various hot/cold/wet conditions for hunting
Feed various types of .308 ammunition without jams or large accuracy issues, It’s slightly the same as above but if I have to sacrifice some of the gold-standard sub-MOA that’s fine as long as it shoots well, I hear the Larue OBR has issues with factory ammo but is otherwise the best with premium (I also likely won’t be doing handloads for awhile)
Importance: 2nd
Accept silencers and not have any issues (accuracy or otherwise) in regards to using them outside of Canada where legal
Accuracy Everyone wants sub MOA but long-term I’m thinking reliability will be king for me with 1 MOA or a bit more
Weight I’d prefer to keep it under 10 pounds the only exception would be unless a much more costly military precision sniper rifle eg: PGW Coyote, FN Scar-H TPR, etc. (assuming anyone has tried them) would be significantly better with something in the importance 1st or importance 2nd section eg: reliability, accuracy
Importance 3rd
Semi auto, I’d prefer a semi-auto but in terms of everything I’m asking for above I’m willing to go bolt action if a semi-auto doesn’t fit these capabilities, I’ve heard that semi auto’s are constantly getting better but they may not be all the way there for reliability just yet.
So there’s the question, I’ve looked into a variety of Rifles from the DPMS REPR and the Savage 10/110 FCP HS Precision for the hbar, to the LWRC REPR for the use of silencers without issues (the GAP-10 having some), and the GAP-10 for accuracy with various types of .308, and the Larue OBR for accuracy with premium grade ammo. There’s a wide range of price in all of the rifles, it’s a non-issue though I wonder how all of these will function with silencers. You shouldn’t need to read the rest but there’s more to this post below...
I’ve got to say the Rifle I’m favoring now is certainly the DPMS REPR for that Hbar, 1 MOA accuracy, and being semi-auto but for an all round more reliable rifle the FN SPR A3G with a Hbar, low jam rate, and ½ MOA accuracy looks pretty good to. Or if I can go with my cheap option the Savage 10/110 FCP HS Precision and get about 1 MOA with all of these things that would be nice as my wallet will not be made of both tears and lost dreams. What’s your recommendation? Remember all of my “knowledge” is based on reviews, forums, and recommendations. Just below is one of the best comments I think I’ve heard to "What's the most accurate rifle”
“As I indicated in the previous post, I don't think there is a "best rifle." I think there are "best rifles for my application or specific requirements." That means there might be tradeoffs...for instance, you can basically count on an OBR to be sub-moa. However, most likely because it has a tight chamber to facilitate said accuracy, it is possible that it will choke on surplus or cheap ammo. By the same token, a PWS or REPR or SCAR will give you reasonable accuracy (which to me is two inches or less - mine was sub-moa) and probably be noticeably more reliable with a wide variety of ammo than a rifle that is more of a "match grade" build. Heck, George (GAP) has posted that the GAP10 doesn't like suppressors. That doesn't mean they don't run with them. It means that adding a suppressor introduces issues and variables that have a negative impact on reliability and accuracy. That's common sense, and part of why I got a (LWRC) REPR. Because of it's construction, it ran like a raped ape with a suppressor. That was one of my parameters, and I made an informed decision about which rifle was best suited. My shooting is typically over a fence post or truck hood, which makes a 1/4 moa rifle unnecessary...but most of my targets are live movers in the form of hogs or coyotes - so my focus was on reasonable accuracy with absolute reliability. On a flat range, paper is still right where you left it, so clearing a malfunction periodically is not a big deal. If I'm shotgunning a semi-auto to get it running again, then my hog is gone. Yeah, I'm outing myself there - I don't always get that first round hit.
So, buy based on a realistic evaluation of what you want or need. Not pie in the sky "I want to shoot 1000 yards..but my range only goes to 200" or "I want to shoot 1/4 moa, but I can't afford to buy good glass or match grade ammo" etc.
I'm an equal opportunity shooter - not a fanatic. I recognize the quality and versatility of the LWRC lineup, but I'm not limited to it by blind loyalty. I also own a Spike's Dissy build, a 13.7 inch Noveske build, a .308 PredatOBR 16 inch and am collecting parts for a 3gun rifle build based on a JPEnterprises 18 inch barrel. However, the PredatOBR will soon be sold to a friend, as I'm sure that the 16 inch bolt gun has similar ballistics, suppresses better and eats whatever I feed it”. - chainring on disbanded sniperhide forums
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