"Factory Ammunition for .32 Rimfire does not require any licence to purchase?" hanh?

[fat tony]

"Factory Ammunition for .32 Rimfire does not require any licence to purchase?" hanh?

Someone is trying to tell me that .32 rimfire ammunition 'does not exist' legally in Canada. I don't just want to take someones word over the internet.

In question is some CIL .32 Rimfire Long ammuntion I have for sale.

I never heard of any such legislation that excludes currently loaded factory ammunition 'for antique' firearms.

This entire claim was worthy of a visit to the Canadian Firearms Center website and there is nothing to this effect anywhere on their website. I think the ammunition in question is probably early 1960's vintage, maybe.

I suppose the relevant regulations regarding purchasing factory loaded ammunition is somewhere on the energy mines, resources, jazz dancers, and hors - doevres bakers website?

Also, the CFC site says that if you wish to verify that a potential purchaser of a firearm is indeed eligible to purchase a firearm *and presumably factory loaded ammunition*, you have to call the CFC. I called them this afternoon armed with a boatload of info on the buyers, however I did not have their dates of birth, so the agent was able to dump me and get back to her coffee klatch.

Looking for a website with the relevant information. Thanks Tony

 

[fat tony]

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[AK]

Technically, if an explosive is not listed on the List of Authorized Explosives it is not legal to import, possess, or sell. That much is clear. The problem is ERD requires a yearly "maintenance fee" from companies that have their articles listed, so what happens when otherwise lawfully possessed articles are suddenly removed from the list either due to the manufacturer ceasing import/production, or the manufacturer going out of business? Ammunition probably falls under this category most frequently.

With consumer fireworks, for instance, if an article is removed from the list then it is assumed any users will use them up shortly and a grace period is offered. This is all mostly internal ERD and industry stuff with zero communication to the end user, least of all law enforcement. Seizures and charges under the Explosives Act due to unauthorized articles happen occasionally, but not in this circumstance.

With old Canadian-made ammunition I would venture to say that it was manufactured and purchased lawfully many years ago and was on the list at one point. New-production ammunition such as Navy Arms ammo on the other hand is not something I would touch because, A) it has NEVER been on the List of Authorized Explosives, and B) it would not have been brought into the country legally as a result. It seems the consensus around here is this is "not a big deal" however I know of one recent instance where the RCMP Explosives Disposal Unit visited a retail store for selling unauthorized product, and they are now the subject of a federal investigation. Ask yourself if your firearms, finances, and freedom are worth a few rounds. This is to say nothing of exporting ammunition from the U.S. without an export permit (which requires a Canadian import permit, which you won't get because it's not authorized product) which has the consequence of even WORSE trouble than the Canadian authorities.

To make a long story longer, I would not worry about your CIL rounds at all in terms of legality for possession. I would definitely request a PAL however because it is still ammunition so you have that responsibility under the Firearms Act to fulfil.

(*My experience on the matter: 16 year professional explosives technician)

 

[fat tony]

Thanks. I tend to tread carefully when dealing over the internet with persons I don't really know. If the buyer is out there reading this, I appreciate your patience with me.

 

[trevj]

Antique guns are antique guns, antique ammo is still ammo, and there are no exemptions for that to make it any different from any other ammunition.

I can buy powder, primers, brass and bullets without a PAL, as well as antique class firearms (ie: flinter long guns) but I cannot buy a box of 22 shells, without one. That pretty much tells that story. No PAL, no sale.

Cheers
Trev

 

[Paatz]

"Someone" is mistaken. .32 rimfire is obsolete and that is the reason it is unavailable.
"Someone" is also confused, in that .32 (and .25) centerfire pistols with barrels under 4" are prohibited firearms, but not the ammo.
There are plenty enough .32 carbines out there being sold, and ammo as well.

But you have perfectly legal, and valuable ammo there.