Fake stamp punches on eBay (milsurp fraud alert!)

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Most are probably already aware to watch out for "embellished" milsurps and to do their research before buying historical pieces, but this just takes fraud to a whole new level because of how easy, accessible and cheap it now is.


While looking for something unrelated, I stumbled across this:


Waffenamt
Stamps hardened
Hardness 56-58 HRC

Height 2,5 mm


Every stamp available
20,26,37,63,67,76,77,778,80,88

8 x 8 x 55 DIMENSIONS seal
10 x 10 x 63 DIMENSIONS seal


If you need another stamp (another number) of this size, please make a purchase at this auction and specify the number - I will make it for you.

Price for one punch

Condition as pictured - very good
Perhaps, I'll send you more photo
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https://www.ebay.ca/itm/2-5-x-5-4-m...m=202277309375&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851


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I bought a P38 from an on-line auction that had no marks at all ( not even the P38 mark), since all of them had been machined off. Under Infrared microscope magnification I found one Wather Wa359 proof mark on the slide and what appeared to be an SS rune on the frame. Research tells me that the Nazis did not mark the pistols used by the SS, so someone was definitely playing silly burgers. And it would appear that someone subsequently decided to erase the fraud. Magazine was from a wartime factory in Czech, so the whole thing is a bit of a Franken-pistol.
 
Michell's mystery magical mausers comes to mind.......................their Yugo 48's are mahogany stocked not elm and crates of SS K98 rifles in UN-issued condition found in a barn in Bosnia.Amazing..........
 
Claven2 said:
Nothing new. Some US sellers have made a cottage industry in "correct" guns using such stamps.
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I know it's nothing new, however it was my understanding that (up until not long ago) the fakers would typically have to make their own or custom order such punches for quite a bit of dough. Most stamps were of really sh*tty quality too and easy to spot. It's quite amazing how "popular", well-made and cheap they have become nowadays though.... and not in a good way.

This means that the guy who just got his first SVT-40 or Mosin for $300 can modify it into a "Nazi capture" version for under $100 and sell it off for $400 more to an unsuspecting collector, if the fraudulent modification turns out as a believable genuine item (research works both ways, after all). This is also very bad news for people with legitimate rare firearms, as now every example is a potential fraud.


One more example that where there is money to be made, assh*les will find a way... regardless of laws or ethics.
 
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762mm said:
I know it's nothing new, however it was my understanding that (up until not long ago) the fakers would typically have to make their own or custom order such punches for quite a bit of dough. Most stamps were of really sh*tty quality too and easy to spot. It's quite amazing how "popular", well-made and cheap they have become nowadays though.... and not in a good way.

This means that the guy who just got his first SVT-40 or Mosin for $300 can modify it into a "Nazi capture" version for under $100 and sell it off for $400 more to an unsuspecting collector, if the fraudulent modification turns out as a believable genuine item (research works both ways, after all). This is also very bad news for people with legitimate rare firearms, as now every example is a potential fraud.


One more example that where there is money to be made, assh*les will find a way... regardless of laws or ethics.
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This is basically what killed the Civil War collecting market (not saying the market doesn't still exist, just not nearly as big as it was). Too many real looking fakes and it was too difficult to tell them apart. No one likes being told the firearm they just paid 20,000$ for is fake.
 
Some people got carried away using those Waffenamt stamps. I had a Mosin carbine that had one on the receiver and another on the bolt. Even if the Germans had stamped captured weapons (which they didn't), this one had a manufacture date of 1945, so it would hardly have had time to be issued, captured, refurbished, restamped and reissued before the end of the war. Whoever stamped this one couldn't really have thought it was going to fool anyone.
 
I was at the Regina gun show about a decade back, and a yellow banded, Australian manufactured, no1mk3 (converted to no2mk4) was on a vendors table. It had waffenamts on several spots, but all on soft spots like the butt and forestock. The possibility that this rifle had been captured by the Germans, stamped, later recaptured or re-repatriated to the Australians, then converted to no2mk4 and issued to cadets, was a little beyond believable. Whomever the fakir was, I suspect he knew his stamps were not as hard as the body or barrel of the Enfield, so did not risk his stamps trying to mark the receiver or barrel.
 
Nice I can get these stamps and sell a german ww2 issued vz 58 on the ee for 4000$ before the govt prohibits them! I can be a thousandaire!
 
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