fascination with red rifles

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When I started getting in to shooting the first 3 rifles I wanted were an SVT40, mosin nagant 91/30 and a CZ858.

Well when I finally got around to getting my PAL the 858 was on lock down , however I picked up an SVT and 91/30 the day after my PAL arrived. I now have added an m44 to the 'collection'.

I don't know why I like them so much, maybe its the history. I got thinking last night that it might be neat to put together year collections made up of SKS, SVT-40 and MN. That said, I havent looked at the years each rifle was produced, or the quantity they were produced in. The other thought I had was to look for one of each from each year and try to make a collection from start to finish of each rifle.

I will still have my shooters.....obviously, but this is where Im at right now.

Any great resources for these rifles?
 
For mosins it's kind of impossible since they started being made in by the Russians in 1891 all the way up to the m44 which stopped production in 1948, but it is possible to get every year of 91/30 rifles 1930-45
 
Back away slowly and then run away fast!! You know not of what you speak!
You bought MNs and SVTs and, soon, you'll buy an SKS, then a Tok. You got them because they are cheap, go bang loudly, has nice flames, great recoil and shoot cheap ammo. That's the draw of red rifles.
Collecting them by years is another thing altogether! You will go broke, lose friends, get divorced and go insane! Don't say I didn't warn you!
Oh, and good luck!:d

The site you want is 7.62x54r.net to find out everything you need about the MN
 
Personally I would go for each variant (as that is easier to achieve and won't break the bank) and maybe some examples of specific changes they made if you wanted to get more advanced (i.e. ex-Dragoons, a Pre-war, during-war, and post-war examples of 91/30s, maybe one example of the different manufacturers etc.).

Just getting the variants is difficult enough for Soviet firearms, you need to find a 1891 Dragoon, 1891 Infantry Rifle, M91/30, M38, M44, SVT-38, SVT-40, TT-33, Nagant Revolver, and a SKS. Personally it has taken me about 4 years (of admittedly not extremely dedicated) searching to find most of these firearms. For me I am still missing the M44 (just waiting for the right example), Nagant Revolver, and SVT-38 (which for the SVT-38 is extremely unlikely to ever get).
 
Still alive said:
Back away slowly and then run away fast!! You know not of what you speak!
You bought MNs and SVTs and, soon, you'll buy an SKS, then a Tok. You got them because they are cheap, go bang loudly, has nice flames, great recoil and shoot cheap ammo. That's the draw of red rifles.
Collecting them by years is another thing altogether! You will go broke, lose friends, get divorced and go insane! Don't say I didn't warn you!
Oh, and good luck!:d

The site you want is 7.62x54r.net to find out everything you need about the MN
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I like the idea of that kind of collection but I think ''Still Alive'' is correct. If you do decide to go ahead with your collection, please keep us informed.
 
Those Red rifles are ugly but functional. Except for SVT-40 and SVT-38 that I think look very appealing.
You idea is the start of dangerous path of addiction called collecting... Time and money spent.. Better sell your guns, but 1 modern handgun and 1 AR and burn the rounds...
Let's say you want to have each year of the rifle, but what about each factory for every year? What about each major modification plant introduced over the year? What about Nazi or Finnish capture specimens? What about original condition vs refurbished? It's a downward spiral. As it was said - RUN AWAY!

Just in case you're still here... Below some nice resources for beginners. With time you'll undertstand that there are some mistakes there, but anyway it's the best we have and ppl who compiled them have to be credited for great job done.
For SKS - http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...SKS45-ID-FAQ-Collectibles-update-feb-8th-2011
For MN (also about SVT) - 7.62x54r.net and mosinnagant.net
For SVT - http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...6-The-SVT-40-Tokarev-***updated-april-12th***
Nagant Revolver - http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareNagant.htm
Not sure if there anything about TT-33, but also look into TT-30
 
jon1985 said:
hmmm, I now see the error in my thinking. May have to rethink this.
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jon,
If you still choose to go down this road, simplify the collection and make them all shooters.
Get the 91/30, M44, M38, SVT40 ( easiest to find), SKS ( Russian), CZ/VZ now that they are kosher again and a Tok 33. The Nagant revolver is cool if you can find one but a real pain in the azz. Worst miltary gun ever ( short of a Nambu).
Get some vodka, black bread and a fat Russian chick and you can have your Stalingrad fantasy ( other than the SKS and CZ, of course)!
 
Haha, collecting reds is addictive for sure! I've managed to keep it to two of each as I want other guns and am not looking to collect arsenal or production year runs, keeps it under control for me at the least. They're fun to shoot, cheap to feed and they have history. Pretty good if you ask me.
 
I'm with you about this weird curiosity towards Soviet / Russian firearms... For me, when I first saw an SKS, and held the SKS, something inside me stirred... I had fired MP5's, M16A2's, C7's, and Sigs... but when I held the SKS, I couldn't help but feel totally amazing. Knowing there was the possibility my rifle was held by some Soviet era military member, somewhere behind the iron curtain, spoke to me in ways no other firearm ever has... I'm hooked now... I own an AR15, Mossberg, and a Ruger... But my Russian bride was my first rifle, and I love her to pieces... I paid for her implants (ATI stock), nose job (Wartak), and some liposuction (bayonet removal)... Some say I may have butchered her, turned her into something she's not... However, deep down inside, she's still my little Russian bride.
 
angrypanda83 said:
I'm with you about this weird curiosity towards Soviet / Russian firearms... For me, when I first saw an SKS, and held the SKS, something inside me stirred... I had fired MP5's, M16A2's, C7's, and Sigs... but when I held the SKS, I couldn't help but feel totally amazing. Knowing there was the possibility my rifle was held by some Soviet era military member, somewhere behind the iron curtain, spoke to me in ways no other firearm ever has... I'm hooked now... I own an AR15, Mossberg, and a Ruger... But my Russian bride was my first rifle, and I love her to pieces... I paid for her implants (ATI stock), nose job (Wartak), and some liposuction (bayonet removal)... Some say I may have butchered her, turned her into something she's not... However, deep down inside, she's still my little Russian bride.
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I know it's Saturday night and you're horny but that was weird!;)
 
Still alive said:
jon,
If you still choose to go down this road, simplify the collection and make them all shooters.
Get the 91/30, M44, M38, SVT40 ( easiest to find), SKS ( Russian), CZ/VZ now that they are kosher again and a Tok 33. The Nagant revolver is cool if you can find one but a real pain in the azz. Worst miltary gun ever ( short of a Nambu).
Get some vodka, black bread and a fat Russian chick and you can have your Stalingrad fantasy ( other than the SKS and CZ, of course)!
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Man, that last line is priceless...although Vasilli, in enemy at the gates, found a decent russian lady!

anyway, I like my russians for their cheap price, overall nice built and cheap ammo. It's a good and easy way to get into milsurps without going broke...I have an SKS and MN, both CT-bought refurbs, nothing fancy, but an easy way to get a milsurp fix.
 
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When i was 13 i played battlefield vietnam and man i wanted an sks. When i turned 20 i bought one and a crate of ammo. Then mosin snipers started popping up and i convinced myslelf into one of those. Then complelty unknowingly i stumbled on and bought 1927 tikka stepped barrel fincapture m91 and that was it. I own the sniper sks and two svts and they are nice but for me theyre history was washed away with the refurbishment. The danger is in the capture rifles for me. Ive got four capture/built fin mosins and one m44 from god knows where. You want a dangerously fast growing hobby get a couple reds (or any other ww2 era firearm) that havent seen love sence the day they left the factory and you will hold real history. Some of the fin rifles come with a whole travel story just in stamps.
 
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