This thread would likely be more useful if people noted what they're rifle shooting, what they're using it for and the accuracy they're getting. Otherwise it's of little value to the reader. Someone shooting gongs at 300 yards + with a SAN will have different requirements than someone shooting gophers from 5-100 yards with a mini 14 and someone playing on the range shooting carbine matches with an AR has a completely different interests in ammo than the first two.