Fear of used revolvers - Is this something I should really be worried about?

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A couple of weeks ago, I ordered my second new in box revolver - a S&W 627 PC.

Now that I have an established love of the revolver, I find myself looking more and more at the used ones as well.

When it comes to semi-autos, I have no qualms about purchasing used.

When it comes to a used revolver, let's just say I am feeling a little squeamish in taking the chance on one.

Should I continue my trend in only buying new revolvers, or are they on average in really good condition used?

There are just so many things that I am nitpicky about. How about your experiences - good or bad?
 
I've felt the exact same way when it comes to used revolvers, but I finally bought a used GP100 and it worked out well. But I still find myself a little more cautious when it comes to revolvers. Weird thing about it is I have no reason whatsoever to feel this way, just paranoia I guess.
 
Consider asking the seller the right questions and asking about a "no fire inspection period".

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Consider asking the seller the right questions and asking about a "no fire inspection period".

Winner winner chicken dinner ;).

If the seller will not agree to a brief non-firing, non disassembly period then ask to see a video if they're capable. Learn how to recognize proper timing and lock up, ask to see any angle you're curious about, and best of all you get to see their handling techniques. If in a vid you see a cylinder get "flicked" open or shut (think Hollywood style) assume it's been done prior to that vid and know there could be problems with the crane or yolk.

I can understand on high value matching collectibles there being some hesitation to inspection periods, as unfortunately some people use this period to abuse others good nature (I'm being very polite and not really going much further than that in this subject).

Otherwise I have a specific list of questions for any revolver buying sight unseen, some are different for SA vs DA. Once those questions are satisfied by a respected member then I don't hesitate to buy used.
 
If I have a chance to look at it in person and measure things like cylinder gap and end shake, I'm not too worried about buying used. I also check each cylinder for proper timing and if it locks up tight. I got a used revolver sight unseen from the EE here in a trade that was usable the way it was, but an oversized cylinder stop, oversize hand, and some cylinder yoke bushings tightened it right up for less than $100. Now it feels as good as my brand new 586.
Kristian
 
Absolutely agree , but I noticed the revolvers in good condition and not overpriced are sold in few minutes.Don't think you have any chance to buy with conditions.
Just my 2 cents.
 
YES. You should be wary. Revolvers are finely tuned mechanisms that can become worn by misuse, improper care and accident. As much as I consider myself an afficionado of the revolver, I too have wanted a gun so badly that I've ignored the most common and logical 'checklist' for making a used purchase. First off, is the seller the original owner? Ask as many questions as you want. Ask for photos. Specifically ask to see the barrel face (forcing cone) area and look for scoring that will tell you if the cylinder and crane are aligned and how much use the gun has seen. Remember that with the heavier calibres it IS normal to see SOME flame scoring on the barrel face. This usually progresses to a point and then with heating and cooling, the barrel face gets hardened and it stops. A barrel face that shows 'scars' from the inside diameter all the way to the outside diameter is NOT GOOD. Another thing to look out for is heavy flame scoring around the cylinder face where the chambers line up with the barrel face. Any scoring around the chambers here means the gun has seen ALOT of rounds. Another give away as to amount of use is top-strap cutting. This is when the area of the top of the frame (above the cylinder right where the cylinder face meets the barrel face/forcing cone) where the hot gasses spray from the gap and erode the metal of the upper part of the frame. cutting is normal but look at photos online to get an idea of how much is too much! Next comes the obvious, a drag line around the cylinder and play when locked up. Most revolvers that have been used at all will have some form of drag line. The thing to watch out for is any wear on the little notches on the cylinder. These little halfmoon indented notches are what lock and align your cylinder. Any wear or sign of rounded edges on these is BAD. They should be sharp and well defined just like the bolt. HA! yes, it's called a bolt! (often referred to as the cylinder lock) The little tab that juts up from the bottom inside of the opening in the frame. You know, that litle tab that pops up and slots into the indentations in the cylinder. That litle bugger should have nice sharp edges to lock itghtly into the matching cylinder grooves. The movement of the cylinder back and forth on the gun when locked up. I say 'when locked up' because that's when it really matters. Another sign to look for wear is rounded edges on the cylinder pawl. That's the little circular notched thingy that you see when you open the cylinder. those little notches around the centre pin are what the 'hand engages to turn the cylinder when cocking. These should look like sharp little wedges. Next is cylinder 'play'.If a cylinder is a tad sloppy back and forth when open....no big deal. If a cylinder moves 1/16th of an inch back and forth when locked.....POSSIBLE ISSUE. Now, some of what I've stated here is only assessable by hands on demonstration (or an honest seller!), so most of the detective work for an online purchase will rely on photos. As far as I'm concerned any person selling a gun should be ready to supply any photos requested by a serious buyer. Without photos, walk away, and with that said go online and do your homework. Look up 'forcing cone erosion' and 'cylinder play', learn to identify what a bad purchase looks like BEFORE YOU MAKE ONE. Cheers
 
YES. You should be wary. Revolvers are finely tuned mechanisms that can become worn by misuse, improper care and accident. As much as I consider myself an afficionado of the revolver, I too have wanted a gun so badly that I've ignored the most common and logical 'checklist' for making a used purchase. First off, is the seller the original owner? Ask as many questions as you want. Ask for photos. Specifically ask to see the barrel face (forcing cone) area and look for scoring that will tell you if the cylinder and crane are aligned and how much use the gun has seen. Remember that with the heavier calibres it IS normal to see SOME flame scoring on the barrel face. This usually progresses to a point and then with heating and cooling, the barrel face gets hardened and it stops. A barrel face that shows 'scars' from the inside diameter all the way to the outside diameter is NOT GOOD. Another thing to look out for is heavy flame scoring around the cylinder face where the chambers line up with the barrel face. Any scoring around the chambers here means the gun has seen ALOT of rounds. Another give away as to amount of use is top-strap cutting. This is when the area of the top of the frame (above the cylinder right where the cylinder face meets the barrel face/forcing cone) where the hot gasses spray from the gap and erode the metal of the upper part of the frame. cutting is normal but look at photos online to get an idea of how much is too much! Next comes the obvious, a drag line around the cylinder and play when locked up. Most revolvers that have been used at all will have some form of drag line. The thing to watch out for is any wear on the little notches on the cylinder. These little halfmoon indented notches are what lock and align your cylinder. Any wear or sign of rounded edges on these is BAD. They should be sharp and well defined just like the bolt. HA! yes, it's called a bolt! (often referred to as the cylinder lock) The little tab that juts up from the bottom inside of the opening in the frame. You know, that litle tab that pops up and slots into the indentations in the cylinder. That litle bugger should have nice sharp edges to lock itghtly into the matching cylinder grooves. The movement of the cylinder back and forth on the gun when locked up. I say 'when locked up' because that's when it really matters. Another sign to look for wear is rounded edges on the cylinder pawl. That's the little circular notched thingy that you see when you open the cylinder. those little notches around the centre pin are what the 'hand engages to turn the cylinder when cocking. These should look like sharp little wedges. Next is cylinder 'play'.If a cylinder is a tad sloppy back and forth when open....no big deal. If a cylinder moves 1/16th of an inch back and forth when locked.....POSSIBLE ISSUE. Now, some of what I've stated here is only assessable by hands on demonstration (or an honest seller!), so most of the detective work for an online purchase will rely on photos. As far as I'm concerned any person selling a gun should be ready to supply any photos requested by a serious buyer. Without photos, walk away, and with that said go online and do your homework. Look up 'forcing cone erosion' and 'cylinder play', learn to identify what a bad purchase looks like BEFORE YOU MAKE ONE. Cheers

I'm trying to be kind, but you need to read this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph
 
Great article I own 2 revolvers and have never checked the timing,( they were bought new)
That article is very concise in explaining these important checks
Thanks for posting
 
Thanks to all who have posted thus far. I know this may seem trivial to many of you but I don't have decades of experience on the revolver platform.

On top of that, there are so many vintage guns around that get snatched up in minutes or hours after posting on the EE and I miss out on most of them.

Traditionally, we learn from our mistakes and I would hate to get burned by buying the wrong gun if I overlook some important details.

I hope to mitigate that risk by what you all have mentioned. Now I know it is okay to press the seller to answer more specific questions and take photos of specific things.

Many thanks to HANDOFZEUS and Rad Russian for the link posted. May we all get the revolver that we've been searching for.
 
I'm trying to be kind, but you need to read this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph

I am trying to be kind here as well 09outlander. Handofzeous was offering some sound and good advise to the org. poster.

That means in a nutshell that he is contributing to the thread in a useful way. I am sorry to say that you are not. It severs no purpose in any way to be critical of someone else because they may make spelling errors or the like, his intent was to help someone who was asking for the help.

I was always taught if you haven't got anything good to say don't say anything at all.

Thanks for the info Handofzeous.

Graydog
 
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I learned about from his post and that is why I joined this forum. I don't have a revolver yet but I am thinking of picking one up. I will keep his advice in mind when I do eventually buy one if it is used. Thanks for the info.

I am trying to be kind here as well 09outlander. Handofzeous was offering some sound and good advise to the org. poster.

That means in a nutshell that he is contributing to the thread in a useful way. I am sorry to say that you are not. It severs no purpose in any way to be critical of someone else because they may make spelling errors or the like, his intent was to help someone who was asking for the help.

I was always taught if you haven't got anything good to say don't say anything at all.

Thanks for the info Handofzeous.

Graydog
 
Good posts on what to look for, but let's be honest, any used firearm has similar risks.There is no special concern about revolvers.
 
A couple of weeks ago, I ordered my second new in box revolver - a S&W 627 PC.

Now that I have an established love of the revolver, I find myself looking more and more at the used ones as well.

When it comes to semi-autos, I have no qualms about purchasing used.

When it comes to a used revolver, let's just say I am feeling a little squeamish in taking the chance on one.

Should I continue my trend in only buying new revolvers, or are they on average in really good condition used?

There are just so many things that I am nitpicky about. How about your experiences - good or bad?

It doesn't matter whether used revolvers are "on average" in really good condition. It only matters that the specific revolvers you actually buy are in good condition. With the advice you have read in this thread you will be equipped to better judge the ones you are considering buying and asking the right questions of sellers of good repute will serve you well. Pass up the ones you aren't confident about, accept that if you buy enough of them there may be one or a few you will wish you hadn't, (and this will be true of semi-auto pistols, too.)
 
It doesn't matter whether used revolvers are "on average" in really good condition. It only matters that the specific revolvers you actually buy are in good condition. With the advice you have read in this thread you will be equipped to better judge the ones you are considering buying and asking the right questions of sellers of good repute will serve you well. Pass up the ones you aren't confident about, accept that if you buy enough of them there may be one or a few you will wish you hadn't, (and this will be true of semi-auto pistols, too.)

This is really good, well said toner.

Graydog
 
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