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I’m always looking at the Good and Bad design of bullets and the material they are made from .

These look Good in design BUT I’m not sure I like the Nickel plating over the cooper bullet ? That Nickel might be hard to scrub out of a barrel if you short a lot . JMO any one shot a bunch of these down there barrel and then cleaned it ? AND what were the results ? I also wonder why they use it ? Thxs RJ

https://www.federalpremium.com/terminal-ascent.html
 
I’ve used this bullet and nothing else since it came out.
They are insanely accurate out of my rifle and they did amazing on my personal expansion and weight retention tests.

Just shy of 500 of them fired through my hunting rifle setup.
Still retaining the same accuracy so the barrel is cleaning up as it should.

I’ve harvested my largest bear, moose and my sheep with it + several mule bucks and white tail.

I’ve noticed no issue with cleaning my rifle.
If anything it’s a cleaner bullet than the prior I’ve used.

I’ve recovered 3 bullets from animals and each was picture perfect.

10/10 recommend this bullet.

Im shooting it out of a .308 if wondering.

I like it so much I’ve got sixty boxes of it stored away.

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Not to mention they often sell for sub 50$ a box. I believe I paid 45$ a box average across all mine.

So half the price of other premium bullets with the same or better results.
 
Any idea what the difference between this and the trophy bonded tip bullets? Kinda looks like its just a different polymer tip...

Better BC. Slightly longer bullet and 10 grains heavier. That’s it really.
They haven’t changed much since the trophy bonded bear claw this originated from.
 
Nickel fouling is notoriously difficult to get out of the bore. Nickel jackets were widely used in British and European ammo prior to WWII. They were largely abandoned after the war in favour of gilding metal because of the fouling issue.
 
Nickel fouling is notoriously difficult to get out of the bore. Nickel jackets were widely used in British and European ammo prior to WWII. They were largely abandoned after the war in favour of gilding metal because of the fouling issue.

Any idea at what point one would start to see the detrimental effects ?
I’d imagine technology has changed substantially since prior to ww2 but I’m still very curious.. we can safely say five hundred rounds changes nothing. I’d go as far as most hunters will never shoot that many rounds through a single hunting rifle anyways lol
 
Haven't shot enough to notice any issues in my 6.5 CM as yet.
Just know they are accurate in my rifle and perform very well on game taken to date...but 5 animals is not a large test (yet). Taking it to Africa so will be adding another 5 animals to the bag if everything goes as planned.
Also have them for the 270 Win and 300 WSM, but haven't yet shot a full box through either. Just ordered a case of ammo from the US for the 6.5 PRC, so will be adding that to the shooting inventory after it arrives, and will gain more experience on this bullet as further shooting and hunting is accomplished.

Quality of barrel bore will also have a major impact on the fouling with these bullets...so any issues should also include an examination of the bore to determine if one has a smooth or rough bore that will impact results, and make for a better comparison to other bullet types.
 
Black Ram : Quality of barrel bore will also have a major impact on the fouling with these bullets...so any issues should also include an examination of the bore to determine if one has a smooth or rough bore that will impact results, and make for a better comparison to other bullet types.

Of course it will BUT unfortunately you have no control over that ! Do you see Nickel plating in your bore after shooting 10-20 rounds as you would MOST likely see with copper bullets ? RJ
 
So I sent FEDERAL a email and asked about the bullet coating ?
Comment:
Why is your bullet NICKEL PLATED over the copper ? Is it HARDER then the Copper ? What purpose does it serve please ? Thank You . Cheers Jim

My return answer is : It’s Basically just COSMETIC !

WTF kind of answer is that :rolleyes: f:P: RJ

TERRIBLE ANSWER ! I replyed that maybe HE could CHECK with a bullet technician for the REAL answers as he obviously doesn’t know Poop ! ��
 
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So I sent FEDERAL a email and asked about the bullet coating ?
Comment:
Why is your bullet NICKEL PLATED over the copper ? Is it HARDER then the Copper ? What purpose does it serve please ? Thank You . Cheers Jim

My return answer is : It’s Basically just COSMETIC !

WTF kind of answer is that :rolleyes: f:P: RJ
Lipstick on a pig ?

All kidding aside, where do you get those
 
I've never shot the Federal nickel-plated bullets, but I've shot and still do shoot a lot of cupro-nickel jacketed bullets because I have a lot of them on my shelves.

There are two golden rules shooting anything that's loaded with cupro-nickel- or nickel-plated bullets.

1) Clean thoroughly every 15 to 20 rounds

2) Clean thoroughly every 15-20 rounds.

These bullets aren't for shooters that want to shoot 100 shot strings or only want to clean when the accuracy drops off due to fouling.

I find that once the accuracy starts to drop off due to fouling, then I've waited too long, and cleaning is going to be an extended chore.

I looked at their video and how they plate the nickel, which is very thin, almost measured in microns, but nickel is "sticky" almost as sticky as copper.

I opted not to purchase any of those "bullets" at that time, not that there were any available for reloading anyway, that I could find.

If you can find any of these bullets in "component" only form, before you decide to purchase/load/shoot look very carefully at how to clean the fouling which will happen. It's much more tedious than any copper foul I've dealt with.

I purchased a lovely Mannlicher Schoenauer, chambered for the great 8x68 cartridge from a fellow who told me upfront that the rifle shot really well for the first couple of boxes he loaded then he could never get it to shoot well again.

I bought everything he had for the rifle, bullets, brass, dies. He had 500 cases he had bought on special order from a European supplier because the brass just wasn't available in North America and that was the minimum order that would be filled. There were also two boxes of fired cases from factory loads.

When I got the rifle home, the first thing was to inspect the bore, which looked great when using the naked eye.

I borrowed a borescope and the reason for the inaccuracy showed up right away.

The Cupro-nickel had built up against the side of the rifling in lumps. They were smooth and polished from repeated firing and maybe cleaning with abrasive compounds.

I was used to cleaning this type of jacket fouling and had done rifles this bad before. The work was cut out for me and honestly, I wasn't looking forward to this job.

The really bad thing with Cupro-nickel fouling is that it will adhere to the barrel metal and when it's removed, it will take some of the barrel steel with it.

This issue can and often does indicate that a barrel will never shoot well enough to be acceptable again.

I was lucky with the Mannlicher. The fouling had to be removed electronically, it had welded to the barrel steel, which made it impossible to remove with normal cleaning solutions or materials, however, when it was finally removed electronically, there was very little viewable damage to the rifling.

I used that rifle as an Elk/Moose rifle during the mid eighties for a couple of seasons, until someone came along and just had to have it at any cost.

Those 196 grain bullets at 2800fps were devastating, when placed in the boiler room and stood up extremely well on shoulder joints, often penetrating both joints and exiting the far side.

r-j, I know you're knowledgeable and likely have the equipment to clean that fouling but IMHO that nickel plating doesn't do anything to enhance the performance of any other well-constructed bullet.

I suspect its main reason for application is to reduce copper fouling. What they don't tell you is that the nickel fouls but it is almost impossible to see with the naked eye and even though the bore looks clean, it's still fouled.

It's like fishing lures that are made to catch fishermen's wallets, rather than fish.

I'm not saying the bullets won't perform well, because from what I see in the video, they should do very well. I just don't believe the nickel plating does any more than add bling.
 
I have been using the federal tbt for probably near 10 years in a couple different rifles and have 0 negative results with them the rifles that I use them in are very accurate with them terminal performance has been stellar the only downside is availability to the hanloader
Cheers Tony
 
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