Federal primers for rifle?

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I am new to loading rifle rounds, and wondered what everyone's opinion is on these primers? I will be loading .223 for my AR-15. I have a bunch of Winshester brass that I was trying to prime, but the primers would not seat. The brass has been cleaned, and the primer pocket as well. Any primers that did seat, where (flat), and or close to it. Should I use these? Does anyone know what would be the best primer to use, and why this would be happening?
 
Federal have the softest primer cup out there(more risk of slam firing), For AR my choice would be CCI.

Make sure your brass has no crimp on the primers pockets. Primers should seat with no flattening.
 
brnolvr said:
Federal have the softest primer cup out there(more risk of slam firing), For AR my choice would be CCI.

Make sure your brass has no crimp on the primers pockets. Primers should seat with no flattening.
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Thank you. I will try the CCI primers. As far as crimp, these are Winchester cases, and I don't believe they would be crimped.
 
The 210's are "large" rifle primers. The 215's are "magnum rifle primers". I've used 215's in my 30-30 cartridges with out a problem as well as my 300 win mag.

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(for the non ham radio guys, I'm calling Bruce with that line.)

Hey Bruce. What am I going to blow up or burn down......will the world come to an end if I keep risking mine and everyone elses neck by using magnum rifle primers in my 30-30 loads????? :D

BTW: Bruce has been reloading since before a lot of us were alive (and I have 2 kids in school now :D) Sorry old boy. Couldn't resist LOL!!! :D
 
blacksmithden said:
The 210's are "large" rifle primers. The 215's are "magnum rifle primers". I've used 215's in my 30-30 cartridges with out a problem as well as my 300 win mag.

CQ H4831.......CQ H4831.......CQ H4831 de blacksmithden........k

(for the non ham radio guys, I'm calling Bruce with that line.)

Hey Bruce. What am I going to blow up or burn down......will the world come to an end if I keep risking mine and everyone elses neck by using magnum rifle primers in my 30-30 loads????? :D

BTW: Bruce has been reloading since before a lot of us were alive (and I have 2 kids in school now :D) Sorry old boy. Couldn't resist LOL!!! :D
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To me, a primer is a primer, it makes the loaded cartridge go BANG!
I have never noticed the slightest difference whether it was a standard, or marked magnum, as long as it was a rifle primer of the same size.
I have said this before, but I will say again. Deep in some corner junk area in my shooting room, is an old book, some type of shooters digest, or reloaders digest. In that book is a section on primers, where they did exhaustive studies of primers in a labratory envirenment. They measured the power of all the types of primers they could get there hands on, under a great many variations.
Their bottom line was that the power the firing pin hit the primer, had more effect on the power of the primer, than did the type of primer. Weak firing pin hit, weak primer. Hard hit, powerful primer. They said a standard primer with a hard hit, had more power than did a magnum primer with a weak spring in the firing pin.
I have recently read where another test was made and RWS primers made the most fire of any primers tested, including the vaious magnums.
OK Denny, forty some years ago I used RWS primers exclusively. Again, I could never see any increase in the pressure of the load, or any decrease when I used "standard" primers. None of the old reloaders I knew distinguished between types of primers. And this was in an era when some pretty potent loads were fired in bolt action rifles. It was years before we read some story stating you should never load higher than the max load given in a manual!

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IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF YOUR RIFLE!

I've been using CCI primers BR2's and BR4's for years. and there is a noticeable difference between primers and ACCURACY. I think the latest guns and ammo mag had a write up about a benched gun (one of those 2" barrels locked in a vice) and they shot identical loads with a whole bunch of different primers and certain primers really opened up. they tried a bunch of rounds as well so it wasn't biased. and the BR series was in some cases a difference 1/2" on the groups. (1/2" to 1.5" groups were the max and min matrix values).

BUT it depends what you want: (a) super consitant burn rate, (b) cheap, (c) reliable. you can have two but not all three. If you want "a" and "c" go with the BR series, they seat well in remington premium brass and lapua as well as most other brands, come out reliably (I think i've broken one decaper in 5 years of reloading, and it was probably my meat mittens putting the shell in crooked), and if I'm loading for accuracy I feel it is a reasonable step.

BUT if your shooting for plinking, why on earth you'd spend the extra moola beats me, just stick with a CCI primer, not the BR series.

my 2.12341234 cents.
 
Took this off the gunersden dot com web site. Hope it help a bit:

Primers
Primers directly affect accuracy more than most people or reloaders realize. The primer is the only component in a cartridge that sets off a chain reaction of events. The first thing that the primer does is start the bullet moving out of the cartridge case and at the same time it ignites the powder charge which in turn pushes the bullet out of the barrel.

Some of the things that can dictate a certain primer usage are extremely hard or soft bullets, bullet seating depth, powder selection by burn rate and or amounts of powder used in the case.

Rifle primers are not the same by any means, there is a difference in the length of time which primers burn. Primers can be selected by heat or pressure range of which there are three.

Always keep in mind that between class a and class c primers there can be a hi-lo pressure difference of approximately 12%, if working at the high end of a cartridges pressure if you change primers change the powder charge as well.

1. Large Rifle Primers

Class A Large Rifle: Federal 210, Remington 9 1/2 primers will generate about 6% less pressure than class b primers and are well suited for faster igniting rifle powders like IMR 3031.

Class B Large Rifle: CCI 200 primers are well suited for medium range burning rifle powders like IMR 4320.

Class C Large Rifle: CCI 250, Federal 215 primers will generate about 6% more pressure than class b primers and are well suited for slower burning rifle powders like IMR 4350.

Note: Small rifle primers do not have a great a heat range variance as do large rifle primers but there are still three different pressure levels or heat ranges.

2. Small Rifle Primers

Class A Small Rifle: Remington 6 1/2

Class B Small Rifle: CCI 400

Class C Small Rifle: Federal 205

Just remember when it comes to custom handloading of rifle cartridges there is nothing cast in stone, it is all a matter of trial and error for each individual rifle.
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