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I have real trouble getting consistent bullseye groups with my Beretta Elite Two .40.

I have much less trouble getting good bullseye groups with my 686.

Today I was lucky enough to shoot with my Beretta, a Glock 17, a Para .45 (don't know which one--not a fancy one) and a Kimber .45 (don't know which one--not fancy one) and a M & P .40.

The 9mm and .45 ammo was factory. The .40 was my reload.

Results:

Beretta: Trouble getting four-inch groups at 7 yards (as usual).

Glock: After a few rounds, no trouble getting bulls.

M & P Worse than the Beretta

Para Somewhere between the Beretta and Glock in accuracy.

Kimber Five rounds. Five straight bulls--right in the black.

BTW: the order was Para, Glock, Kimber, M & P, Beretta

My first thought was that my reloaded .40 stuff was bad, but the Beretta is no more accurate with factory stuff and my 686 is dead on with my reloads. (Titegroup).


I know that the obvious answer might be to get a Kimber. Or a Glock.

It can't be just grip because the Kimber and the Para were sisters.

But more might be going on here and an expert or few might be able to figure it out.

Any ideas about what happened here?
 
My vote is for gun fit and site alignment. Even tho the Para and Kimber were "sisters" there would still be small varitions in sites, sight plane and sight radius. Those variations in fit and site radius can make huge difference.


Have you ruled out a finicky preference for factory ammo with the Beretta?
 
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Yeah, I was thinking it was the sights. I forgot to find out what the sites were on the Kimber. I'll check their website.

Re ammo and the Beretta: I did find some accuracy differences with factory ammo, and my ammo, different bullet weights and powder amounts-- somewhat more consistent with 4.6 rather than 4.2 grains of Titegroup, for example....but at no time was the Beretta what I would call consistently accurate--with my or any factory ammo I tried.

Heck, if I could work with my Beretta since May and not be consistent--and get consistent with a Glock and a Kimber after a few shots....

I did install a higher rear sight on the Beretta. This solved the low shot problem. Also, the Beretta has, apparently, combat sights. The target is covered by the front sight. Still, shots will be all over the place.
 
Guy at my range has a berreta in 9mm.... None of us can get it to group well. He does great with my sig, others 1911's, his 586 ect... the berreta just doesn't shoot for us(even from a rest). I think its the brig model.
 
I carefully inspected the rear sight I mounted several months ago. It seemed to be about -1mm too far left. This might have helped to confuse the shooter (me).

I got my trusty, handy Beretta sight pusher and gave it a nudge. I will try it tomorrow.

Re the front sight covering the target: Beretta gurus say that the front sight covering the the target is a combat sight correct picture for the Elite. I dunno. The higher rear sight I installed should make that less of an issue.

Anyway, tomorrow AM, other people will shoot the Beretta. We shall see.

I'm inclined to think that certain guns and certain arms/shoulders/heads/ hands/eyes are good matches. Some are not.

I really don't want to start a .40 S&W is inherently inaccurate thread. But my accurate guns today were 9mm and .45. My losers were .40. Please refer to other threads all over the Internet.
 
funny I have no problem with making loony size groups with my Elites (before I broke two of them). and that's with the standard sights, which means they cover the bullet holes. It's all about trigger control. Beretta's can have stiff triggers, even the Elite models. unless there is something mechanically wrong with the gun you should be able to obtain a 2 inch group at 15 yds with little effort (but some practice), and even at 25 if you are a good shooter.
 
Yeah, this one is all shooter, baby. At 7 yards, all the bullets should touch with any of the mentioned guns.

And before you ask, yes I have done it with all of Glock, Beretta, M&P, 686, and 1911s.

I notice that the 40 cals are the one you list as having "bad accuracy"... I also have noted in the past that 40 cal guns are snappier than 9mm or .45s.

My friend, you have a flinch.
 
not all pistols work for everyone either. I'd have to say it's possible that Beretta might not be for you. you may be able to learn to shoot it awesome, but you have to look at your time and energy. if you are able to shoot other pistols better, it might be worthwhile considering just going to them. fit and natural accuracy are important things to consider.
 
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