Finally got my GEN II Walther P-99 QA

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Actually, the 1st of a couple. I also purchased (but haven't yet received) a GEN I AS. My god, the trigger on the QA is atrocious. Sinful. Blasphemously hideous. Oh, and it ain't too good either :D

Doesn't really bother me because I purposely chose this as a "theoretical" home defense gun. You can hit the decocker button on the QA with a live round chambered and the trigger is deactivated. You have but to quietly rack back the slide a mere 1/4" to re-####. So in theory, unauthorized/untrained/unfamiliar-with-firearms hands wouldn't be able to just grab and shoot. The AS also has a decocker, but that just dumps the gun back into DA.
Anyhoo, the trigger is terrible. I knew it'd have a 1/2" or so of trigger creep at around 8-9 lbs, but the pull weight seems alot higher. As well, the pull feels like your driving thru potted roads, not smooth at all. You'd have to have pretty well lost all senses in your trigger finger to let one off accidently, stressed or not.
The trigger action was also full of some greyish pudding-type lube. A generous dose of WD40 flushed it out. Should all that gunk be in there? Moot point I guess, 'cause it ain't anymore...
Again, I think it's fine as is as a close-quarters gun, especially after I mount my tac light on it (bling bling, I know ;)). I wanna get an ITI M6X tac-light/laser for it. Just thought I'd let anyone out there who's interested in the P-99 know the score. If you get a QA and the trigger pull & weight is the same as mine, I don't think y'all be banging out tight groups at 25 yards....
 
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Update; Forget 25 yards, I tried to hit a 6" target at 10 yards and failed miserably. The gun holds very well in the hand, shame I can't hit the side of a barn with it. I read an article on Waltherforums where it's described how to improve the "sucky" trugger on the QA. EWveryone in there who's done the mod has complained they couldn't hit squat before smoothing out the trigger. I'll be trying my hand at the prescribed mods and post my results. Not that anyone cares :D

PS: They say that intellgent people talk to themselves often. I must be the next Einstein :runaway:
 
No disrepect, but my first handgun was a P-99. I was not accurate with it. Grip, stance, breath, trigger technique, switching eyes, nothing helped.
I don't think it's the gun. Rather, it's the complicated relationship between the trigger, the grip, the backstrap, and the size and shape of your shooting hand.

Really, we have to shoot every brand of handgun until we find the one or two or maybe three that work with our anatomy. Really. I can't shoot well with a Walther, a Beretta or a Glock. I become more of a "natural shooter" with a Sig and a 1911 SS.
 
For what it's worth, some gentleman let me try his .40 cal P99 at the range and I shot a nice 5" group at 10-15 yards.

Pretty damn snappy, though...
 
Yeah, but was it an AS or QA? As well, 5" groups at 10-15 yards are nothing to brag about, no disrespect intended. Not trying to be a smartass, but when I practised a bit I could group 2-3" at 25 yards with a bone-stock Colt series 80 using reloaded .45 ammo. Not rapid-fire obviously, but nevetheless.
Trust me, the QA is no picnic. Tons of creep and so much trigger pull weight that my trigger finger was sore after 2-3 mags. As well, for some reason the 10 round mags don't like to be loaded to 10. When doing so, it's harder to "click" the mag in place and also harder to rack the slide back. WTF???
 
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Did you make those mods to the trigger?

For what it's worth I bought a new P22 this year and the trigger wasn't so hot to start with but now after about 3000 rounds it's really nice and smooth...
 
Haven't yet, but from what I've read it'll definitely do the trick. I was gonna start this weekend, but I'm not sure I have all the items needed (including ballz;)) for proper polishing.
I wouldn't mind simply shooting alot to smooth the trigger out. Problem is, my trigger finger may become permanently deformed before having spent thousands of dollars in .40 ammo :D
I was told that the trigger on the P-99 smooths out after 300-400 rounds. This gun already has close to 500 rounds thru it and it ain't even close to being acceptable.
I now understand why so many are unimpressed with the Walther P-99. I didn't get my AS yet and therefore cannot comment on that action. But if I'd spent $1,200 for a brand-new QA just to have a trigger like the one I have, I'd feel as if I'd been screwed sans lubrication!
 
DONE!!!

I did a copy and paste from a post I made on Waltherforums. If you're interested in doing the mods yourself, click here http://www.waltherforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5574

Read below


Ballz located, mods done. The directions posted on this thread were invaluable, as were the additions by Bluefool & MGMike. Having done the mods, the results were not quite what I was expecting;


I still have a lot of travel. I think I may have been expecting the amount of travel to diminish, which is NOT what the QA action is about. Correct me if I'm wrong now or was wrong initially

The trigger travel I have now is definitely smoother than before, but still gritty/rougher than I'd like. I believe this has more to do with the badly-contorted striker pin spring. I can actually hear the spring groaning/contorting even more as I pull the trigger slowly rearwards

The trigger itself really didn't require any work to it. I sanded it with 400 grit to remove the barely visible outline differentiating the finger pad from the outer edge of the trigger assembly. But this line wasn't really being felt my finger at all. I did smooth out the pad section itself which is now smooth. Again, it wasn't really rough to begin with.

The internals in general were not dripping with casting flash as I'd expected to find. The front & rear cradles were relatively easy to remove as well. I did have a bit of trouble removing the trigger cam, takes a while to figure out how to rotate it in order to be able to separate it from the transfer arm.

The transfer arm was surprisingly smooth at the contact area shown to be in need of polishing. I did file off some irregularities and polish it as indicated in the instructions. I believe this part has helped in perceived smoothness.

Straying from the posted instructions (an inherent weakness, I'm afraid ), I disassembled the striker pin a second time and sanded the area of the striker pin which is contacted by the trigger mechanism as it's being pulled rearwards just before firing. It "seems" a bit smoother now, but I'm not quite sure of this.


Winding up, I think if the trigger pull weight was lower I'd have been happy. And I realize that Turbo's write-up was not intended to lower the trigger pull weight, mostly to smooth it out. I noticed that a couple of you guys mentioned replacing the spring for a lighter pull. Any news to report? I've ordered a few different spring kits to try as a replacement for the OEM striker pin. I'm hoping that by simply installing a striker spring that isn't so long, I'll relieve some of that gawd-awful noise of a contorted spring when pulling the trigger.


Thank again so very much to Turbo for the write-up and excellent instructions. I would have prolly sold the gun or ashamedly relegated it to Home-Defense duty, never attempting to bring it to the range for practice but rather hoping that any shots fired by me would be at a distance of 10' or less
 
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According to Insight, only the M6X or the X2 & X2L will also fit. You sure the M5 will fit a 2nd Gen? I realize now that the M6X is wayyyy too long for the pistol. I may have to go with the shorter X2 or some other brand. Sucks though, the X2 only throws out about 40 lumens. The M6X cranked out 120.

Brought the QA to the range last night and the difference is amazing since the trigger work. I can actually group around 2-3" at 10 yards. Normally not spectacular, but for this gun & I as a team it's amazing. I'm very pleased...
 
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