Finnish M-27?

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Happened across this one a little while back
The AZF marking is Austrian correct?
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Are the numbers crossed out for different ammo or from the arshini unit's?
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Aquaintance down the road brought this old 'Mauser' over for me to look at
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I thought it was pretty neat anyhow
 
M27?
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Looks like a Finnish M1891. The barrel was made by Tikka in 1940 and probably assembled into the complete rifle by AV1 or AV3 depots.

The AZF marking is Austrian correct?
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Yes, this marking indicates the receiver was part of an M1891 Mosin nagant that was captured by the Austro-Hungarians and reissued to their troops during WW1. Check the date on the bottom of the receiver tang for the receiver's original maker and date.

Are the numbers crossed out for different ammo or from the arshini unit's?
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The Finns lined out the Russian arshini units and stamped the metric equivalents on the right side of the receiver base. Some rear sight bases have an extra notch cut at the back by the Finns for a lower sight graduation.

I believe the Finnish graduations are for their "D" ammo but I have found that Russian made ammo works just as well with them.

Aquaintance down the road brought this old 'Mauser' over for me to look at
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Definitely not a Mauser ;).
 
Nabs said:
The Finns lined out the Russian arshini units and stamped the metric equivalents on the right side of the receiver base. Some rear sight bases have an extra notch cut at the back by the Finns for a lower sight graduation.
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Russian M91 rear sights marked in arshins started at 400...example below...

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What the OP has is a Russian rear sight that has been on an M91 that has been rechambered (they weren't rebarrelled) to 8x50r by the Austro-Hungarians, to read in meters.

So the receiver and rear sight have been through Austrian hands...very doubtful that they came off the same rifle though...
 
Re-chambered?
Think so? It's latest marking is Finnish, I'd think it was in 7.62 X 54 R. It's got the 'D' marking for that round.
I only got to handle it for a brief time so there wasn't time to really examine it well
 
tokguy said:
Re-chambered?
Think so? It's latest marking is Finnish, I'd think it was in 7.62 X 54 R. It's got the 'D' marking for that round.
I only got to handle it for a brief time so there wasn't time to really examine it well
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The original barrel that had your the rear sight on it would have been rechambered to 8x50r.

The rifle now bears a new (in 1940) barrel chambered for 7.62x54r, with the Fininsh 'D' marking to indicate that the throat has been relieved to allow for the use of the Finnish D166 200 grain projectile, and captured Soviet ammo.
 
Sometimes they stamped them on both sides. I cant imagine sending a .323 bullet down a .311 bore, are you sure the Austrians didn't rebarrel?
 
Only M27 and M28 rear sights were marked both sides - the rear sight in the OPs post is an M91 rear sight base.

Positive the Austrian didn't rebarrel. A testament to the strength of the Mosin action... They modified the chamber to accept the slight larger 8x50R body, leaving a long free-bore and shooting it in the .311 or larger barrel.
 
Austrians must have had big nuts back in the day. I have had a few 91's with markings on both sides including a 200 meter mark but they may have been anomalies. Tokguy, what made you think it was a m-27? Old regi card?
 
Not registered. Never was; this is Alberta remember.
I'm not an expert on Finnish rifles by any means. I've an M-39 and it sure isn't an M-39
Did a little looking and thought it might be a M-27
The Russian to Austrian to Finnish makes it a pretty neat rifle IMO
I've more pics but Photobucket is doing maintence at the moment.
It seems to be counterbored as well.
I'd like to buy it off of him one day. What's fair 250 $ ? It's well used by the stock condition
I'll post more pic's when Photobucket is back on line
 
Arshkins have been lined out on the left side and metric stamped into the right side Tzarist eagle makes it pre 1917 action and rebarreled by Tikkaloski in 1940.As to the AZF marking I can;t tell you but I would have to say Nabs has got it.A interesting rifle that has changed hands a few times.
 
It is probably a 1891 dragoon with a bare front sight,30 1/2" barrel and total overall length of 51 1/4"and the sling hangers are Finnish.A M-27 would have a 26' barrel and have a overall length of 46 3/4.Also the front sight would have Spitz ear sight protectors and possibly the steel "Popsicle stick" reinforcements.
 
Fernleaf; how come your M=27 has dogcollar's and not slinghangers?
But here are the promised pic's
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And the last is my M-39. Thought I'd show it off as well
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It's probably because of wartime expediancey that Fernleafs M-27 has dog-collars. Some Finns have double sling hangers some have double dog collars.Some have a dog-collar and a sling hanger.I have one that has a dog-collar in the front and a unusual swivel hanger on the rear.
 
Thanks all. That's what is cool about this forum. If you are polite and ask questions ( other than how to Bubba something) you will end up more knowledgeable in the end.
 
Beautiful M91, I always loved the early style upper and lower bands with the exposed screw :).

That M27 is a real beaut as well!

My first Mosin was a Tikka 1942 and she was a real tack driver despite being beat up quite a bit. For that, I will always have respect and admiration for Finnish built rifles or rifles that served in Finland.

If you want to read up some more on that Tikka, here are two good links that helped give me some good knowledge:

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM91F.htm

http://mosinnagant.net/finland/M91inFinland.asp
 
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